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Hepburn conversion
Mar 16th, 2025 at 3:41am
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I am sure this has been brought up before and I may have asked the question before but how hard would it be to convert a center fire to rim fire? Also I saw a picture of a block that had been modified by adding a transfer bar to alleviate the acute angle of the firing pin. Any comments or help is much appreciated.


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Reply #1 - Mar 16th, 2025 at 11:29am
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Greg (gt) did and showed the transfer bar. 
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Reply #2 - Mar 18th, 2025 at 8:23am
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I had Dan Zimmerman (DZ Arms) convert several original and Crossno Hepburns from center fire to rimfire. He sells breechblocks and extractors on his site.
  
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Reply #3 - Mar 18th, 2025 at 10:22am
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Greg must have missed this post or I’m sure he would have chimed in.

Here’s a post of his that shows the transfer bar.

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Reply #4 - Mar 18th, 2025 at 12:49pm
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Sorry, it's been a bit busy.  I did make a few breech blocks both rf and cf that now use a transfer bar so the firing pin is in-line with the bore.  It takes a little effort to get them working right and the impact on the transfer bar from the standard spring found in the Hepburn requires a little better material.  I made the first couple out of 8620 and both gave under the stress.  A couple were made out of O1 and A2 with some heat treat, one broke and one's still holding up.   In the last two Heartburns, one is a 44-77 the other is a 22rf - I made the transfer bar from 15-5 PH, easy to work, low temp HT and after a season of heavy use both look unscathed.  The A2 is showing impact wear and I expect it to break sooner rather than later.
  

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Reply #5 - Mar 18th, 2025 at 3:43pm
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Thanks everyone. It is something I just want to try. Pictures are worth a thousand words. Thanks Mr "GT" for your input. Can anyone recommend a good barrel?


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Reply #6 - Mar 18th, 2025 at 3:56pm
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jhm wrote on Mar 18th, 2025 at 3:43pm:
Thanks everyone. It is something I just want to try. Pictures are worth a thousand words. Thanks Mr "GT" for your input. Can anyone recommend a good barrel?
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Round, octagon, or? 

I've bought some Green Mountain full round 1.21" x 27" barrels and they shoot great. Have one I got just last fall for my 3F Ballard that's heading to the range tomorrow to see if it shoots as well as my other does.
  

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Reply #7 - Mar 19th, 2025 at 8:26pm
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I will check into one...


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Reply #8 - Mar 20th, 2025 at 11:25am
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jhm, you might want to try a BRC choked 22 bbl Ken Lewis had posted some very good targets that he shot with a variety of different ammo in his Borchardt.
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Reply #9 - Mar 20th, 2025 at 12:08pm
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marlinguy wrote on Mar 20th, 2025 at 12:07pm:
[quote author=7C7B7878757A704B7E26242424140 link=1742110883/7#7 date=1742430366]I will check into one...

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My range test went great with the GM barrel yesterday. Used standard velocity Aguila Extra and shot it at just 25 yds., and 20 shots all were in a group under .465" With target ammo, and a better rest I think it will do close to this at 100 yds., but I need to take several brands next trip to see.
  

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Reply #10 - Mar 21st, 2025 at 1:10am
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I saw your post. Good looking target. I have used BRC and GM before so it's a hard decision. May have to toss a coin...



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Reply #11 - Mar 21st, 2025 at 1:45am
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If you want an average rifle, use a GM barrel.  If you want a match grade rifle, you've got better odds of getting there if you use a match grade barrel, but the cost is of course higher, by $250 or so.

My choices would be Benchmark, Lilja, Mark Chandlyn, Douglas, Shilen before GM.   

I would probably try BRC before GM.  I've never had one, but think they're a good gamble.

Like Marlinguy, I have GM .22 barrels on some of my rifles.  They're decent accuracy wise.  I have two for my 44 Stevens, one for scope and one for irons. 
The one with an Unertl scope on it benches maybe 1 inch 5 shot groups consistently at 100.  The iron barrel is similarly accurate, but not as accurate as my homemade liner using a Redmans liner in my rolling block.  I haven't shot either for years, as they won't compete with my other rifles.  My Lilja Ballard will do about 3/4" consistently, maybe  bit better.  My Chandlyn barreled bench gun is capable of national benchrest winning accuracy.   

I also sold probably 30 GM .22 rf barrels when I was custom contouring and selling barrels.  The ones on my rifles were pulled from that stock.  I think they're a great barrel (for the money).  If you leave off the disclaimer (for the money), they don't compete.  If you put the cost before the accuracy, they win every time over pretty much anyone else.   

Really a choice of what's most important to you: money or accuracy.   

If I want to shoot the most accurate rifle, I'll pick my Lilja barreled or Chandlyn barreled rifles above all the others, as well as a factory Anschutz.  If I was building an accurate .22 rifle from the barrels I have on hand, I'd use a Flash Ebert barrel I have on hand, a Mark Pence barrel I have on hand, a Badger I have on hand, or I'd order a Benchmark barrel.   

If I wanted a nice looking octagon barrel but wasn't concerned with match accuracy, I'd use a GM octagon I have on hand.  The only way I would use a round GM barrel is if I needed the cost to come in under $125 for the barrel.   

For my wife's .22 low wall I'm working on now, I intend to either mill the Pence barrel octagon, or use the Badger, which is already octagon.
  
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Re: Hepburn conversion
Reply #12 - Mar 21st, 2025 at 6:35am
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Thanks Mr. Dave ... More good information to know. Since it will be going on a Hepburn I think I will save a few more dollars and try and get a good one.




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Re: Hepburn conversion
Reply #13 - Mar 21st, 2025 at 10:31am
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Another option for the rf barrels that I have had very good luck with is a RKS barrel.  A member here suggested I try a gain twist from him, that was nearly 8 years ago.  Since then, I've used 7 of his barrels on my builds and 5 of my students have installed them on their builds and I don't believe there's been a complaint one.  To date, my best shooter is on a build I shoot bottle caps with.  It's not a vintage rifle but that game is a little different.  It's a 1:16, LH, GT, at 30" and this combination has kept me at and below our set Mendoza line.  I have been competing with a Lilja barrel on a vintage build for both silhouette and long range and I can't complain about it's performance either.  A few of my more recent builds are a mix of Lilja, RKS, Barlein, Shilen and BRC barrels - a RKS is on a build that will be tried this weekend if the stars align right...   
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Re: Hepburn conversion
Reply #14 - Mar 21st, 2025 at 10:45am
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Have you decided on what chamber reamer you're going to use? There's about 30 different ones out there and it's very important that the chamber is dead nuts. Bob
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