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Ballard .25?
Mar 6th, 2025 at 9:29am
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Has anyone ever seen a Marlin-Ballard in .25 cal? If so what cartridge would it be. It has the 1875 patent date would it be a reversable firing pin? THNX!
  
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Reply #1 - Mar 6th, 2025 at 10:55am
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Depends on a few things as to whether it would be a #2 with reversible firing pin. First off would be whether the cartridge it's chambered for was ever offered in both RF and CF cases. Ballard didn't use the reversible firing pin system if the cartridge wasn't offered both ways. I've owned .32-20 and .44-40 Ballard #2's and all had CF firing pins.
Second would be if it's even a cast steel action or forged steel. I've never seen a forged action with reversible firing pin unless serial numbers didn't match because someone swapped in a #2 breech block.
Almost all cast #2 actions have a 3 line rollstamp on the left side, and forged are 2 line, but there are exceptions both ways. I own a forged Rigby Ballard with 3 line address, and once owned a cast #2 with a 2 line address.
I also own a #3 Gallery that's chambered in .25 Stevens RF, but it's marked under the forearm on the barrel as having been rebored and rifled by J. Stevens A&T and .25 Caliber. So not factory. The .25 Stevens came out after Ballard production halted, so none in .25 Stevens would be factory done.
It's possible it might be the .25-20 SS chamber, and if it is it may or may not be factory original.
  

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Reply #2 - Mar 6th, 2025 at 11:08am
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marlinguy wrote on Mar 6th, 2025 at 10:55am:
Depends on a few things as to whether it would be a #2 with reversible firing pin. First off would be whether the cartridge it's chambered for was ever offered in both RF and CF cases. Ballard didn't use the reversible firing pin system if the cartridge wasn't offered both ways.


For my information (as I don't know), what are some cartridges that were offered in both CF and RF? or do you mean Caliber?
  
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Reply #3 - Mar 6th, 2025 at 8:40pm
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Cartridges that were made in both CF and RF are .38 Long, .32 Long, .44 Long. Don't know of any others that were both.
  

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Reply #4 - Mar 7th, 2025 at 8:42am
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THANKS for the info!!
  
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Reply #5 - Mar 7th, 2025 at 10:55am
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You're welcome.
So do you own this rifle yet, or considering buying it?
  

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Reply #6 - Mar 7th, 2025 at 11:48am
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The 25 Stevens came out in 1889/90, so it would be a one of the last Marlin Ballards if at all possible.
There was an earlier 25 rimfire the Bacon&Bliss  that had a .250” bullet. It was closer the the 25 short in length.

Then the 25-20 single shot that could not be chambered in any of the rimfire chambers.
  
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Reply #7 - Mar 7th, 2025 at 2:49pm
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I read a mention somewhere that the .25 Hornet was devised as a handy low-pressure cartridge for revamped Ballard rifles that ordinarily might be on the ragged edge for hi-speed .25-20 WCF and .22 Hornet ammunition.

The rifle in question might be one that was rechambered for this reason.
  
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Reply #8 - Mar 7th, 2025 at 3:13pm
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When it comes to Ballard rifles there have been so many rebarreled and rechambered for non original cartridges that it's tough to say what one is today without a chamber cast or close inspection. 
Ballard rifles have always been very popular to customize and rework, so seeing them original is even a surprise.
  

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Reply #9 - Mar 7th, 2025 at 4:12pm
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The .25 rimfires by Stevens had a groove diameter of .251.  The centerfire .25/20s were .257.
  
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Reply #10 - Mar 8th, 2025 at 8:29pm
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marlinguy wrote on Mar 7th, 2025 at 10:55am:
You're welcome.
So do you own this rifle yet, or considering buying it?


I am considering buying it if it is a caliber I can reload for. The seller knows less than I do about Ballards. He did say he checked the caliber and it is a .25. It has no Cal. markings on the barrel and the Ser # match on the frame and barrel. he doesn't know how to check for a reversible firing pin.
  
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Reply #11 - Mar 9th, 2025 at 1:09am
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waterman wrote on Mar 7th, 2025 at 4:12pm:
The .25 rimfires by Stevens had a groove diameter of .251.  The centerfire .25/20s were .257. 

That is not correct. It is an often repeated, incorrect piece of information that seems impossible to get corrected. The standard information in cartridges of the world, repeated by wiki and other sources also has an introduction date that is late by 10 years.

Here is a good discussion of it complete with patent drawing from UMC of the long version of the 25 Stevens.
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The 25 pistol cartridge that was introduced in 1860, was .250” diameter.
  
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Reply #12 - Mar 9th, 2025 at 11:19am
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Longknife wrote on Mar 8th, 2025 at 8:29pm:
marlinguy wrote on Mar 7th, 2025 at 10:55am:
You're welcome.
So do you own this rifle yet, or considering buying it?


I am considering buying it if it is a caliber I can reload for. The seller knows less than I do about Ballards. He did say he checked the caliber and it is a .25. It has no Cal. markings on the barrel and the Ser # match on the frame and barrel. he doesn't know how to check for a reversible firing pin.


Easy to check in two ways. First is to cock the hammer and look at the rear of the firing pin shape. If it's a thin rectangle it's reversible, and if it's round it's centerfire only.
The 2nd way is by looking at the side of the breech block above the action. If the firing pin screw is close to the top of the action where the block sits above it's reversible. If it's up higher above the firing pin it's centerfire. If there's no screw at all it's a #3 .22 breech block.
  

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Reply #13 - Mar 9th, 2025 at 12:55pm
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This help?
  

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Reply #14 - Mar 11th, 2025 at 10:53am
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#3 ?????
  
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