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1928 American 300m Haemmerli Martini rifles
Feb 18th, 2025 at 10:14pm
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There's an interesting article starting on page 12 of the June 1928 edition of the American Rifleman on the target rifles used by that year's American team for the 300m international meeting:

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The articles mentions the first time the American competed in that competition was 1913 with Hi-Wall Schuetzen rifles. After that they tried adapting the 1903 Springfield but considered those fancy Europeans rifles to have the upper edge. So in 1928 they bought Martini rifles from Haemmerli in Switzerland but still chambered for 30-06. 

Curiously a few days after I read this article, I saw one of those rifles is no up for sale:
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Outside my price range but nice to see some better color photos of the same rifle. I'm not sure how the American team ended up in 1928. I'll need to keep digging archives to find out.

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Re: 1928 American 300m Haemmerli Martini rifles
Reply #1 - Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:43pm
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“The Springfield 1903 Rifles” by Col Brophy has 45 + pages on Springfield Heavy Barrel Target Rifles. Lots of detail on the teams & rifle preferences 

A few interesting details. He says the Ordnance department purchased 10 Haemmerli’s as built by Haemmerli.  Then bought 30 more without barrels & installed Springfield Arsenal produced select barrels.  Later all effort seems to have been on producing the equal to Haemmerli’s performance totally Arsenal built on the 1903 action. He includes detail on the barrels, lock time, and set triggers. 

Interesting most were stocked & finished to suit the individual shooters no standard configuration 

Later they tested other makers barrels, 40 to be exact Winchester, Pope, Remington. Based on performance they selected 15 for the 1924 international team Two Pope Eight Remingtons 5 Winchesters .  Team had 5 shooters 15 rifles gave practice and back up’s . He shows “figure of merit “ for the guns ranked. Five 10 shot groups machine rest 300 meters total height plus total width divided by 2 = figure of merit. Result Remington first Pope second 2.29 inches & 2.30 inches. # 15 was a Winchester at   2.69 inches. 50 shots measured at 300 meters I’d say all were very good. 

They also built similar on the 1922 .22 Rimfire action.

Brophy quotes most of the American Rifleman article you mention. H also includes 3 pages with photographs and details on the Haemmerli’s  all were ultimately sold by DCM , Brophy says “ few have survived in original condition.

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Reply #2 - Feb 19th, 2025 at 5:04pm
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I fondled a nice one once at a show. Was tempted but didn't need an '06.
  
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Reply #3 - Feb 19th, 2025 at 6:09pm
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I have a heavily used 1903 Arsenal built Sporter. Re-barreled 3 times I know of. Also all original 1922 .22 caliber. Although on the service action they are very well fitted guns, smooth, solid lock up with good triggers. Add international style stocks to suit the individual, select barrels, set triggers & target sights. All features taken from the purchased Haemmerli’s, they are probably the equal of any period target gun. 

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Reply #4 - Feb 21st, 2025 at 3:41pm
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About 15 years back, my late friend bought what we later guessed was one of the 30 Hammerli rifles that had been barreled by or with what we thought was an unmarked Springfield heavy target barrel.  The rifle was almost functional, coated with dirt & grime, like it had been sitting in the corner of a garage for 50 years. It had iron sights, maybe a Lyman 48 receiver rear, 17A front.  

Took us a month of Kroil just to get the action to work.  Barrel eventually cleaned up, looked OK.  For a couple of months after that, we thought it was chambered for a rimmed version of the .30-06 case.  Finally got the extractor / ejector to work. It really was a .30-06, so we shot it.  Used a load from Phil Sharpe's "Complete Guide to Handloading" said to be the proper 300 meter load. Used 3031 because HiVel 2 was long gone.  Quite accurate at 100 yards.  I tried it with 308403 cast about 1:20 with Sharpe's recommended load of 4759.  That shot pretty well also.  

But we were geezers in our 70s with failing eyesight.  Lots easier to play with our .22 rimfires with long scopes.  My friend passed away last fall.  He has 6 kids, 2 of them serious shooters & collectors. I suspect one of them has the rifle. 
  
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Reply #5 - Mar 3rd, 2025 at 11:07pm
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A bit off the original topic, but since it has already been introduced and may be of general interest, here is info on one of the 1924 International Match 1903's, 1257698. The rifle has a barreled action made by Harry Pope for the 1924 International Matches. It was not selected by the team and was in DCM/SA hands until 1935. As Boats notes, this rifle no longer remains in its original configuration. The 14 twist barrel with 5 narrow lands & 5 wide grooves was shortened to 28" when sold in 1940. Subsequently sporterized in 1963 by Paul Jaeger in a custom Jaeger varmint stock, fitted with Jaeger Model 50 trigger (similar to Timney Sportsman), the bolt has been jewelled and bolt knob checkered. It is fitted with a Lyman 48 C with long slide and Lyman 17 front globe sight.
  
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Reply #6 - Mar 4th, 2025 at 6:34am
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It’s a beautiful rifle with interesting history. The Arsenal special build Trapdoors and 1903’s have always been favorites of mine 

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Reply #7 - Mar 7th, 2025 at 4:19pm
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The 14" twist seems odd to me.  I know that the 300 m load had a MV of about 2200 fps.  Did it use the 172 grain bullet?  What sort of load did the International Match rifles use?
  
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Reply #8 - Mar 10th, 2025 at 7:37am
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The loads are in Brophy’s book, will look later today and post. From memory 168 (that’s what I use  it  may be 172 gr)  Boat tail at modest velocity, 2200 or 2300 ?

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Reply #9 - Mar 10th, 2025 at 6:54pm
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I was wrong loads are in “Hatchers Notebook” he was the team manager when we won the 1930 world Championship in Antwerp. Rather than type attached a photo of the page, loads from 1920 to 1930 


He also list the Palma match loads 1920-1930 anybody intrested can post them too.

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Reply #10 - Mar 12th, 2025 at 5:49pm
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waterman wrote on Mar 7th, 2025 at 4:19pm:
The 14" twist seems odd to me.  I know that the 300 m load had a MV of about 2200 fps.  Did it use the 172 grain bullet?  What sort of load did the International Match rifles use?


I'll answer my own question with what is in the dim corners of what I remember.  The 10" twist was a holdover from the 1890s and first ventures into jacketed bullets.  The Krags had 220 grain roundnose bullets and a 10" twist.  The .30-03 used the same bullets at a higher velocity, 10" twist again.  The .30-06 switched to a 150 grain spitzer.  Twist remained 10" because the machinery was already set up.  If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

The 172 grain bullets were developed to give machine guns in .30-06 greater effective range.  That they shot really well at long range in rifles was an unintended blessing.   

Olympic "free rifle" matches were shot at 300 meters.  A lot like Schuetzen matches with jacketed bullets.  Was there a requirement that the military cartridge case of the competitor's country be used?  Or was that just economics?  The National Armory gives the Olympic team 50,000 new primed empties for load development & practice.  Something that stayed supersonic all the way to the target was all that was really necessary.

Other International matches were held at longer ranges, 600 yds to 1,000 yds plus.  You'd need military power for that.
  
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Reply #11 - Mar 13th, 2025 at 12:46pm
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waterman wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 3:41pm:
About 15 years back, my late friend bought what we later guessed was one of the 30 Hammerli rifles that had been barreled by or with what we thought was an unmarked Springfield heavy target barrel.  The rifle was almost functional, coated with dirt & grime, like it had been sitting in the corner of a garage for 50 years. It had iron sights, maybe a Lyman 48 receiver rear, 17A front.  

Took us a month of Kroil just to get the action to work.  Barrel eventually cleaned up, looked OK.  For a couple of months after that, we thought it was chambered for a rimmed version of the .30-06 case.  Finally got the extractor / ejector to work. It really was a .30-06, so we shot it.  Used a load from Phil Sharpe's "Complete Guide to Handloading" said to be the proper 300 meter load. Used 3031 because HiVel 2 was long gone.  Quite accurate at 100 yards.  I tried it with 308403 cast about 1:20 with Sharpe's recommended load of 4759.  That shot pretty well also.  

But we were geezers in our 70s with failing eyesight.  Lots easier to play with our .22 rimfires with long scopes.  My friend passed away last fall.  He has 6 kids, 2 of them serious shooters & collectors. I suspect one of them has the rifle. 


Dick,

Is the rifle you mention the one that belonged to George Ponnay ? The one that was at the 1936 Olympics ?
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Reply #12 - Mar 13th, 2025 at 2:56pm
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craigster wrote on Mar 13th, 2025 at 12:46pm:
waterman wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 3:41pm:
About 15 years back, my late friend bought what we later guessed was one of the 30 Hammerli rifles that had been barreled by or with what we thought was an unmarked Springfield heavy target barrel.  The rifle was almost functional, coated with dirt & grime, like it had been sitting in the corner of a garage for 50 years. It had iron sights, maybe a Lyman 48 receiver rear, 17A front.  

Took us a month of Kroil just to get the action to work.  Barrel eventually cleaned up, looked OK.  For a couple of months after that, we thought it was chambered for a rimmed version of the .30-06 case.  Finally got the extractor / ejector to work. It really was a .30-06, so we shot it.  Used a load from Phil Sharpe's "Complete Guide to Handloading" said to be the proper 300 meter load. Used 3031 because HiVel 2 was long gone.  Quite accurate at 100 yards.  I tried it with 308403 cast about 1:20 with Sharpe's recommended load of 4759.  That shot pretty well also.  

But we were geezers in our 70s with failing eyesight.  Lots easier to play with our .22 rimfires with long scopes.  My friend passed away last fall.  He has 6 kids, 2 of them serious shooters & collectors. I suspect one of them has the rifle. 


Dick,

Is the rifle you mention the one that belonged to George Ponnay ? The one that was at the 1936 Olympics ?


Craig,

Yes.  That was the one.  I don't know where it is now.
  
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Reply #13 - Mar 13th, 2025 at 4:33pm
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I was lucky enough to be able shoot it a few times. Pretty special to shoot a rifle that was used in the Hitler Olympics.

George was a good guy, I do miss him.
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Reply #14 - Mar 13th, 2025 at 5:47pm
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Hatcher also detailed the Palma Match loads, 1000 yards prone probably all bolt guns. Velocity not much different that 300 yard international loads, one year the same cartridge. Seems they used heavy bullets flat base for a while then back to 172 grain boat tails  

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