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CC Johnson, Stevens 44 1/2, 219 Donaldson Wasp
Feb 6th, 2025 at 1:07am
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I stumbled across a 44 1/2 “with CC Johnson barrel” on an online auction site.  To the best of my knowledge, CC Johnson did not make barrels.  I am familiar with that shop’s reputation through reading old books, probably CS Landis.  

So, figuring that it had to be worth something I threw a halfway decent bid on it and practically fell out of my seat when I found out that I had won the auction.

I don’t have it yet, so I’m not sure which 219 DW, but if not the same as I’m set up for, that complicates sending chucks off to the happy alfalfa munching ground this spring.  But Que sera, sera.  Correcting that would just entail making a call to Wilson and getting the right size die coming my way.  I’ve got plenty of brass that is formed, but never been shot.   

Friends I’ve told about this have told me that there are folks that post here that are the most knowledgeable on rifles that went through the CC Johnson shop.  

It is supposed to be at the FFL on Saturday, it will take between two and three weeks to deal with the Washington State run around.  My inclination is that I’m going to be particularly fond of this guy.  I’ve got an orphan 20x Super Targetspot that should be about right for it. 
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Re: CC Johnson, Stevens 44 1/2, 219 Donaldson Wasp
Reply #1 - Feb 6th, 2025 at 8:10am
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Very nice acquisition!  I would recommend doing a chamber cast so you can determine if it’s a short or a long wasp.  CC Johnson did top notch work and his rifles command a premium.  If you take off the forearm, you will see where he stamped in numbers- the first two numbers will be the year he did the project and the remaining numbers are his job number.  Under that he sometimes stamped what kind of barrel it is - eg Doug xx.  He relined original barrels and favored using Douglass xx barrels.  His earlier builds are stamped on the barrel near the receiver with the caliber, CC Johnson, Thackery O, and his later builds just have the caliber and CC Johnson.  I’m curious to know which version of the wasp he chambered your rifle in.  Welcome to the club!  I’ll post a pic of the barrel markings for you under forearm. 
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Reply #2 - Feb 6th, 2025 at 10:50am
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Thank you for the reply.  Soon as I can actually get it in my hands, casting the chamber is job one.  There was a second one built on a Borchard, still kicking myself for not throwing a bid on it too.
  
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Reply #3 - Feb 6th, 2025 at 3:06pm
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Which auction did you see these on?
  
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Reply #4 - Feb 7th, 2025 at 1:37pm
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Nate wrote on Feb 6th, 2025 at 8:10am:
Very nice acquisition!  I would recommend doing a chamber cast so you can determine if it’s a short or a long wasp.  CC Johnson did top notch work and his rifles command a premium.  If you take off the forearm, you will see where he stamped in numbers- the first two numbers will be the year he did the project and the remaining numbers are his job number.  Under that he sometimes stamped what kind of barrel it is - eg Doug xx.  He relined original barrels and favored using Douglass xx barrels.  His earlier builds are stamped on the barrel near the receiver with the caliber, CC Johnson, Thackery O, and his later builds just have the caliber and CC Johnson.  I’m curious to know which version of the wasp he chambered your rifle in.  Welcome to the club!  I’ll post a pic of the barrel markings for you under forearm. 


Being a Johnson barrel it is probably the original WASP as designed by Donaldson and made by Red Elliot.  The scribner error WASP did not come out until the mid 70's, when the illustrator put the rim dimension on the wrong side rim for Sierra, Speer and Hornady reloading manuals.  Brown later copied the dimensions from those drawings for his guns in the 80's or 90's.

I questioned Hornady some years ago on this and they assured me the measurement in the manual was correct. I knew they had did the tests in the manual  for Sierra, Speer, and themselves with their Highwall.  When talking to them I suggested they check the brass they used in the test. 
They did and found the error.  They said they were going to correct the error in the next manual, but they never did, later pulling the DW from their manual altogether..   
  

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Reply #5 - Feb 7th, 2025 at 5:50pm
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My Donaldson Wasp is in Donaldson's last version where he increased the length of the neck to lower the pressure. From the shoulder down stayed the same so the same reloading dies can be used. Read all about it in Landis.
  
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Reply #6 - Feb 7th, 2025 at 8:14pm
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Nate wrote on Feb 6th, 2025 at 3:06pm:
Which auction did you see these on?


Pioneer Auction 

  
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Reply #7 - Feb 7th, 2025 at 11:19pm
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Somewhere I have a blueprint of the 219 by Walker
sent to MS Risley by Donaldson ...
if there are any questions what the dimensions should be I can search for it
  
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Reply #8 - Feb 8th, 2025 at 2:39am
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Thank you much!  

So, today I was given a really nice Fecker.  No power marking, but probably 16 or 20.  I was told it has Winchester mounts on it, but although I have been around these target scopes most of my life and have owned a few and still own a few, I’m just not that clued in on what scope blocks different mounts use.  

I like my other Fecker because the parallax can be set without going all the way to the muzzle end of the rifles.  So I’m going to use it on this rifle.  

Funny how back in the 1970’s when I was scrimping and saving to buy a couple Leupold 6.5-20 scopes we had these same scopes I’m nuts about today and they weren’t good enough for me. 
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Re: CC Johnson, Stevens 44 1/2, 219 Donaldson Wasp
Reply #9 - Feb 8th, 2025 at 7:21pm
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Here is the Borchardt sporting rifle from the same auction. It is not marked but my guess is that the custom work was done by John Oberlies.

The panels behind the action have two different woods inlaid and the breech block has the damascening (?) type finish.
  
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Reply #10 - Feb 8th, 2025 at 11:32pm
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That's a very nice looking Borchardt Joe, does the bore look ok?
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Reply #11 - Feb 9th, 2025 at 1:54am
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Joe Do... wrote on Feb 8th, 2025 at 7:21pm:
Here is the Borchardt sporting rifle from the same auction. It is not marked but my guess is that the custom work was done by John Oberlies.

The panels behind the action have two different woods inlaid and the breech block has the damascening (?) type finish.


I thought about bidding on the Borchard too, but thought that if I won both it would be a fairly substantial financial outlay.  I expected both to sell for quite a bit more than they did.  

I stumbled across it while digging around looking for a beater Winchester 1890.  I’ve got a notion to build an Indian decorated rifle, paint, brass tacks, wire etc.  When I wasn’t looking for one they were everywhere I looked.  I still haven’t found what I’m after, but in the process have about great dealed myself broke with a pretty nice second model 1890 22 Short, a dandy Winchester Model 61, a third Model 1890 WRF w/beautiful Lyman 1a and near mint barrel (circle P), a darn nice Marlin 39a w/Redfield receiver sight, a decent BRNO ZKM Model 2 and an early CZ 527. 

Did you win the auction on the Borchard?  If so, I congratulate you on your taste in rifles and look forward to hearing more about it in the future.  

If I had my way I’d spend my time immersed in rebuilding, restoring, building single shots, but good ones are not easy to come by.  Model 1890s and its offspring have caught my fancy and clunkers that have potential are a dime a dozen and I’ve been keeping myself entertained with them lately.  

  
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Re: CC Johnson, Stevens 44 1/2, 219 Donaldson Wasp
Reply #12 - Feb 9th, 2025 at 2:49pm
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Longdistance1 wrote on Feb 8th, 2025 at 11:32pm:
That's a very nice looking Borchardt Joe, does the bore look ok?
Later LD1


Yes, I pushed a few patches down the bore and they came out light gray. So at least it was wiped after the last time it was shot. By eyesight, the bore looks very good.
  
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Re: CC Johnson, Stevens 44 1/2, 219 Donaldson Wasp
Reply #13 - Feb 10th, 2025 at 3:55pm
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Very nice Borchardt Joe!
... but sadly it started out as one of the few (348?) SRC's made - as noted by the two plugged holes on the receiver side.
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Reply #14 - Feb 10th, 2025 at 5:22pm
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It's not necessarily a broken down carbine, a bunch of carbine actions were sold off after Sharps went defunct.
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