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rebarreling Ruger #1
Jan 21st, 2025 at 10:30am
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I am going to barrel a Ruger #1 in 38-55 and would like to know the best barrel length and twist rate for cast bullets.  I'm thinking a 1:15 twist and a 28" length.  I think the contour will be somewhat limited because of the Ruger's design with the under barrel hanger.  I haven't decided yet if I'll be using BP or smokeless.  I do shoot Schutzen matches a few times a year and mostly just fun.  Thanks

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Re: rebarreling Ruger #1
Reply #1 - Jan 21st, 2025 at 1:12pm
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You can replicate the heavy barrel of the Ruger #1V for weight.  I think I’d stick with a 24 or 26” barrel just because of the weight.  Especially for smokeless that’s plenty long for all the powder to burn and get good velocity.  I’m not sure about BP though.  You’ll have to ask somebody else about that.   
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Reply #2 - Jan 21st, 2025 at 4:46pm
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The forearm mount can be bent down for installing octagon barrels. It will take some heat to bend it about 1/8". Heat where the weld is. My 38-55s, one is 30" and the other is 34".
  

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Reply #3 - Jan 21st, 2025 at 8:40pm
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Smokeless for Schuetzen or black powder for silhouette does make a difference.  If you don't know which I'd recommend being a bit conservative & going with a 30" barrel & 14-twist which should be ideal for a 1.350" long bullet for silhouette.

Some .38-55 shooters have gone a fast as 12:1 but that's probably excessive although Pedersoli produced a .38-55 High Wall with 12:1 twist especially intended to stabilize long heavy bullets in the 350-360 gr. range suitable for knocking down silhouette targets as well as to produce match winning groups in Creedmoor type long range paper target matches.

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Reply #4 - Jan 21st, 2025 at 9:42pm
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Silhouette doesn't matter. Ruger #1 not legal.
Should make a great schuetzen rifle though.
Or mid- range.

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Reply #5 - Jan 21st, 2025 at 11:47pm
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sureshot wrote on Jan 21st, 2025 at 9:42pm:
Silhouette doesn't matter. Ruger #1 not legal.
Should make a great schuetzen rifle though.
Or mid- range.
Steve. 😀


Steve,

Very good point.  It should have been obvious but I overlooked it.

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Reply #6 - Jan 22nd, 2025 at 12:46am
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Hanger ... chop that garbage off. Anchor the mainspring and ejector to the barrel.

Abuse me by PM until I post pictures of my '6mm Bee' on a No3 I brutalized several years ago.

Warning ... truing one of these isn't anywhere near as straight forward as a dumb bolt action ...

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Re: rebarreling Ruger #1
Reply #7 - Jan 22nd, 2025 at 2:09am
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I rebarrelled quite a few before my back gave out. The factory hanger will allow a 1.200" diameter/1.109 across the flats maximum.
  

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Reply #8 - Jan 22nd, 2025 at 10:34am
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Thanks guys for the input.  I'm aware of the exposed hammer rule for BPRC silhouette.  I'm not concerned about registered scores, just having fun knocking down targets.  I do shoot registered Schutzen matches in MD, a few times a year.  Mostly off the bench as my Browning High Wall (40-65) is just to heavy for standing.  Some issue with the silhouette chicken's.   

I'd be interested is seeing photos of the hanger (bent, cutoff) work around.   

If I can get a 1" barrel under the hanger and tapper out to about .820", I'd be happy.

I did think about the octagon barrel.  Who is making them? I have used most of the major brand on my Hi Power rifles.

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Reply #9 - Jan 22nd, 2025 at 10:58am
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I recommend you go with a 12 twist.  It gives you overall ability to shoot from the usual 255-300 gr bullets , and in addition, 
up to a 345-355 grain bullets for longer range BPCR paper and gong matches.
ALSO, you might want to look seriously at chambering it in 
the 38-50 Rem Hep. It is an excellent ctg to "do it all" 
Uses about 10 percent more BP than the 38-55 BMW.
Ballard/Marlin/Win. My 38-50 will achieve 1400fps with a 360 grain bullet. Hits Bowling pins at 600yds.
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Reply #10 - Jan 22nd, 2025 at 12:56pm
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Arnie, thanks for information. I have not heard of the 38-50 Rem Hep.  Bob
  
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Reply #11 - Jan 22nd, 2025 at 5:11pm
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I second the 38-50. I just purchased a Hepburn in that caliber and I am amazed at what mine will do with a 300 gr RCBS bullet and 4198 powder. Going to try some more things but right off the start I was surprised.



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Re: rebarreling Ruger #1
Reply #12 - Jan 23rd, 2025 at 3:48pm
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Bob, 
I recently had John Taylor rebarrel. #3 for me.  I wanted something lighter to chambers in 32 Fed Mag.  He profiled the barrel blank to octagon, nearly the same size as the original, then fitted it to my #3.  If he isn’t slammed with work and is willing to accept it, he’ll do a great job for you. 
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Reply #13 - Jan 23rd, 2025 at 5:43pm
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Boob D wrote on Jan 22nd, 2025 at 12:56pm:
Arnie, thanks for information. I have not heard of the 38-50 Rem Hep.  Bob



BOOB:

The 38-50 is a bit like a 38-55 only more-so. (surprisingly)   I have no experience with it, but it gets a fair amount of use amongst the BP silhouette folks.  My OWN belief is that the .40-65 is the optimum BPCS rifle.  OTOH, if you have to give up the occasional BPCS target and can hit more of the rest, you will be ahead with the slightly lighter bullet.

Charlie and Gary Dunkelburger are coming down to Gaithersburg to visit on TUE.  If you think it would be fun, you're welcome to join us.   I can show you some rifles you’ve not seen before. e.g.  The plan is to tell lies, trade guns, and go to lunch, not necessarily in that order.

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Reply #14 - Jan 23rd, 2025 at 5:49pm
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rgchristensen wrote on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 5:43pm:
Boob D wrote on Jan 22nd, 2025 at 12:56pm:
Arnie, thanks for information. I have not heard of the 38-50 Rem Hep.  Bob



BOOB:

The 38-50 is a bit like a 38-55 only more-so. (surprisingly)   I have no experience with it, but it gets a fair amount of use amongst the BP silhouette folks.  My OWN belief is that the .40-65 is the optimum BPCS rifle.  OTOH, if you have to give up the occasional BPCS target and can hit more of the rest, you will be ahead with the slightly lighter bullet.

Charlie and Gary Dunkelburger are coming down to Gaithersburg to visit on TUE.  If you think it would be fun, you're welcome to join us.   I can show you some rifles you’ve not seen before. e.g.  The plan is to tell lies, trade guns, and go to lunch, not necessarily in that order.

CHRIS

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