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How small is.0001”?
Jan 10th, 2025 at 3:53pm
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This will put it in perspective
  
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Reply #1 - Jan 10th, 2025 at 4:00pm
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It's small enough measurement that if you don't specify the temperature the material is measured at, the measurement will not be consistent.   

Sometimes, just holding the item in your hands and warming it up slightly by touch will change the measurement in the 4th place.  And, the temperature of the measuring implement has to be within the range it is calibrated for.
  
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Reply #2 - Jan 10th, 2025 at 6:14pm
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As another representative of the thickness of .0001", figure a swipe of a green or red magic marker on a sheet of glass. Black marker is about .0002, give or take a bit.
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Reply #3 - Jan 10th, 2025 at 6:50pm
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Maybe a tad bigger than a frog hair.
  
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Reply #4 - Jan 10th, 2025 at 6:59pm
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Real-life comparisons.

Paper is about 0.003" thick

Index card about twice that (used to be 0.007").

Cigarette paper about 0.001" - depending on the brand.  Machinists would know exactly as they'd use it to indicate how close an end-mill was to the work surface.
  

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Re: How small is.0001”?
Reply #5 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 7:10am
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Cat_Whisperer wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 6:59pm:
Real-life comparisons.

Paper is about 0.003" thick

Index card about twice that (used to be 0.007").

Cigarette paper about 0.001" - depending on the brand.  Machinists would know exactly as they'd use it to indicate how close an end-mill was to the work surface.

You must be about as old as I am to know that the cellophane wrapper on a pack of cigs is .001”. I set lots of die sections with that as the shim for clearance.
  
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Reply #6 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 10:18am
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And, when comparing to hair you need to specify what color of hair!

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Reply #7 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 11:10am
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And how much it changes with temperature depends on what the material is also.
  

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Reply #8 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 2:11pm
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Thanks for all that info. All true.  I was just posting the illustration. It shows the outside ring as a cross section of a human hair .0035”. Compare that to the black dot representing.0001”. As small as it is, it’s a lot when having to hold a .0002” tol. It’s really a good illustration and amazing too. Go back and take a second look.
  
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Reply #9 - Jan 12th, 2025 at 1:36pm
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George Babits wrote on Jan 11th, 2025 at 10:18am:
And, when comparing to hair you need to specify what color of hair!

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Reply #10 - Jan 12th, 2025 at 2:28pm
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Statesrights wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 6:50pm:
Maybe a tad bigger than a frog hair.

  

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Reply #11 - Jan 14th, 2025 at 3:07pm
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New guy here. 40 years a toolmaker. 
.0001 is pretty small. If you dropped it you would never find it. Just the heat from your hand on steel will change a part many tenths depending on the length of it. Unless you are working on multiple laminates that have to stack up to a certain height one tenth out of tolerance won’t hurt anything. What is sometimes tough is a tenth tolerance on a round part. Then you only have 50 millionths per side
  

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Reply #12 - Jan 14th, 2025 at 3:15pm
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Early in my career I hade 100 parts 12 inches long +\- .0002. I grind them up and they sat all nite. I checked one the next morning and it was about .0003 out of tolerance. Undersized. I was in a panic. These parts were $1000.00 each. I just scrapped $100,000.00. I went and got my Forman and just in the time of telling him what I did I checked that part again and it was .0005 oversize. Letting the parts set overnight they shrank. Hold them in my hand to show my foreman they grew. He told me not to worry about it.
  

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Re: How small is.0001”?
Reply #13 - Jan 14th, 2025 at 5:06pm
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Ok, question? Will a pin a tenth smaller than the hole go in? Friction fit? Press fit. Just asking for a friend Roll Eyes. On my old lathe holding it within a tenth means losing 2 zeros.
  
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Reply #14 - Jan 14th, 2025 at 6:30pm
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it may but most likely not, you only have a clearance of .00005 per side. Most likely if you are able to slip it in, it will not come back out. Any oil on either part will take up some of that clearance and reduce it to  0.  FYI I spent a huge part of my life in a precision tooling shop, the normal tolerance on the tooling I worked on was 
+/- .0002" and sometimes less. One job I had the parts were tolerance d to a stack dimension of .0005 over a stack of 10 parts. Each part was right to size but the oil on the parts from stoning off burrs made the stack oversized. That one took a bit to figure out. A good cleaning and they fell into size but am pretty sure I added a few gray hairs in the process. 
As a general rule, .0002 will give you a slight drag on a hole. If its a blind hole, air pressure will push the pin back out, a through hole, if you block the other side will give a nice "pop" when you  pull the pin out. 
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