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Digital scale woes
Jan 7th, 2025 at 8:52pm
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Hello everyone!

I tried to weigh and sort some bullets tonight with lots of bad luck.
I have an old Pact scale and an RCBS digital dispenser/scale and with each one I was getting variations of 1 or 2 tenths of a grain. When you consider the fact that the scales are only accurate to .1 grain that increases the spread quite a bit. I wiped each one down with an anti-static sheet so I dont think static electricity is the culprit. Any ideas?

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Reply #1 - Jan 7th, 2025 at 9:21pm
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A couple suggestions 
1) Let the electronic scales stay on and idle for at least 30 minutes before weighing something
2) Check the electronic scale with a check weight
3) Make sure the scale is on a level surface that isn’t subject to vibrations from stuff moving around
4) Make sure the scale is protected from drafts

All of the above have varying degrees of deleterious effects on sensitive balances.  Cold electronics will tend to wander more than warm electronics.  Out of level balances don’t weigh accurately. Drafts/vibrations cause the weight to wander.

0.1 grains is about 0.0065 grams.  A laboratory balance that measures to 0.001 or worse 0.0001 is a lot more expensive than one that does 0.01 grams.  And the more precise analytical balances are finicky and don’t like to be turned off, moved, out of level, vibrated, or blown on.
  
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Re: Digital scale woes
Reply #2 - Jan 7th, 2025 at 10:24pm
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Yes, that's about the best I can get from mine, but that's plenty good for weighing bullets or powder. If you think you need better you're just "straining at gnats".  Smiley
  

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Reply #3 - Jan 7th, 2025 at 10:44pm
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My reloading room is in the basement, which is cold, and the furnace is running and I have a space heater on, to boot!
Next time I try this I will bring the scale upstairs, let it warm up, and try again. I think ambient air temp and not letting it warm up is the likely culprit. I did test both with check weights to confirm results. 
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Reply #4 - Jan 7th, 2025 at 11:17pm
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Joe, 
Just a couple pennies worth of info to add to this, everything GunBum stated is spot on in my experiences.  I tumbled down a rabbit hole and bought a Fx120i a while ago, everything mentioned here is critical to it's performance with one addition, I added a higher quality circuit protector too, that smoothed out most of my issues...
  

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Reply #5 - Jan 8th, 2025 at 8:47am
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I use an old Redding “hydraulic” powder scale set up and zero’d at eye level. I added a stop bumper on the pointer scale a half a grain over upper limit which is a red line at +/-.1gr. The stop bumper greatly reduces the oscillation time as it immediately limits the upper travel of the beam. I can do a couple hundred bullets an hour. In time you can easily predict the outcome even before the beam stops.

Ill add that because I am offgrid, I rely as little as possible on ANYTHING electronic.
  
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Reply #6 - Jan 8th, 2025 at 9:51am
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GunBum wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 9:21pm:
A couple suggestions 
1) Let the electronic scales stay on and idle for at least 30 minutes before weighing something
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a lot of them have automatic cutoff after 5 minutes.
  

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Reply #7 - Jan 8th, 2025 at 12:07pm
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One other thing that can affect those electronic scales is other electrical devices nearby. Especially fluorescent lighting above a bench. I had a friend whose fluorescent lights that would affect his scale and when he turned them off they worked fine with a flashlight. He finally went to LED lights that don't have a ballast and that solved the problem.
  

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Reply #8 - Jan 8th, 2025 at 2:22pm
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This is sound advice as fluorescent lights cycle or actually flicker at very high oscillation rates faster than the naked eye can see.  Old electronics suffered from this problem however it’s my understanding that newer equipment has corrected this as it could have been as simple as a capacitor swap. Conventional wisdom blamed this phenomena on electromagnetic field interruption from the light fixture ballast.  That the closer the light fixture is to your bench the worse it got but other sources report it will occur if the light fixture is plugged into the same circuit as the scale. 

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Re: Digital scale woes
Reply #9 - Jan 8th, 2025 at 4:33pm
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Cat_Whisperer wrote on Jan 8th, 2025 at 9:51am:
GunBum wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 9:21pm:
A couple suggestions 
1) Let the electronic scales stay on and idle for at least 30 minutes before weighing something
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a lot of them have automatic cutoff after 5 minutes.


Then you go poke a button every 4 minutes and 59 seconds until it warms up and get stable.   Wink  Or buy a non-battery operated balance that doesn’t turn off faster than it warms up.  FWIW, the RCBS dispense/scale the OP is using doesn’t suffer from this auto off problem.
  
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Reply #10 - Jan 8th, 2025 at 11:18pm
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Electronic scales are a subset of reloading with their own characteristics. The advice in the previous replies is correct. All of the statements. 

My RCBS Chargemaster just needed a complete overhaul after a decade and one-half of service, the bearings gave out.
  

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Reply #11 - Jan 9th, 2025 at 10:26am
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I have an old Pact also.  A couple of years ago I had an issue with mine.  I called Pact and the tech gave me a reset procedure and it worked.  I will post it when I get out to the shop.  I primarily use the gen1 chargemaster for weighing everything.  I have it plugged into a dedicated circuit that is not connected to any fluorescent lights and I added a choke to the power cord.  I also let it warm up for 1 hour when it is below 60 in the shop.
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Reply #12 - Jan 9th, 2025 at 10:44am
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Steveu, thanks in advance for posting the reset info for the older Pact scale.  I have one as well and it needs to be reset but I’ve been unable to contact anyone at Pact. 
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Reply #13 - Jan 9th, 2025 at 12:27pm
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A few years back there was a post about adding a ferrite? Coil to a scales power cord that would help. I was having this issue a few days back in my cold space heated shop while measuring some Swiss BP trying an experiment where I would weigh each charge and compare range results with unweighed charges.  I wound up having to weigh each charge twice as some would be up to .4gr high or low after the first weighing.  Even with that I had one load that had less compression needed.  I added an arbitrary scale to my Lee hand press so I can tell how much the powder gets compressed after a 24” drop tube.  I ended up sorting the loaded cases by compression and will track velocity and accuracy when I shoot them. My hope is that the unweighed rounds work as well as the weighed ones. 

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Reply #14 - Jan 9th, 2025 at 1:35pm
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Cold days often cause fluorescent lighting to pulse or flicker even more if they don't have electronic or cold weather ballasts. Not sure if you have that type of lighting, but if so that might be the issue.
Just before Christmas our local BiMart discount store had 4 ft. LED shop lights for under $10 each. They came with 6 ft. cords, an inline switch, and a receptacle on the opposite end to daisy chain them! I replaced my old T8 fixtures with two LED lights, and brightness went way up, and wattage way down. I don't own an electronic scale so the old lights weren't an issue. But now I might look at buying one!
  

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