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Reply #15 - Jan 9th, 2025 at 1:51pm
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Vall,
With a balance beam scale, how do you deal with gravity anomalies?  I know we have them up here in Washington because they cause low shots during matches.

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Reply #16 - Jan 9th, 2025 at 2:04pm
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You can look up a chart for scale offset at different locations on the planet to account for differences in gravitational pull caused by the earth not being a perfect sphere.  We have load cells at work offset by 0.0079% or thereabouts.
  
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Reply #17 - Jan 9th, 2025 at 2:23pm
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The margin of error on a Chargemaster is .2 grain.
For the highest standards of SS shooting…not a problem.
Cold basement doesn't help, running it from a quality Lithium pack will, fluorescents don’t help, LED’s can be just as bad.
Since it seems within spec, if not acceptable sell it and get a Matchmaster, good for .004 grain accuracy.
  

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Reply #18 - Jan 9th, 2025 at 3:01pm
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bpjack wrote on Jan 9th, 2025 at 1:51pm:
Vall,
With a balance beam scale, how do you deal with gravity anomalies?  I know we have them up here in Washington because they cause low shots during matches.

Jack


If we have any here I can't say I've ever seen anything odd? If it affects one shot, wouldn't it affect all loads the same amount, or is it constantly fluctuating?
Or are you pulling my leg and I'm too dumb to know it?
  

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Reply #19 - Jan 9th, 2025 at 3:33pm
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OH good grief!   What about magnetic anamolies and solar flares?   Bound to affect anything electronic/digital.   I have used a Lyman/Ohas M-5 since I began reloading.   Easily reads to0.5 grain and that is more than enough precision when considering all the other variables.   I've never given a thought to a digital scale as they don't really provide any more precision than a beam balance.   Never felt like I had to keep up with whatever the "wroters" tell people is the latest and greatest.   And, with the M-5 I can reload even if the power goes off.

By the way, there is a screw on most beam balances that allow you to set it for an exact zero.   I would think that takes care of any local magnetic or gravitational anamolies.  And I don't pay any attention to solar flares, transients on the power liner, or other things y'all seem to be concerned about.

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Reply #20 - Jan 9th, 2025 at 3:48pm
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I wonder what the affect of a full moon would be on your scales Vall.  By the way I am pulling your leg.  My low shots are from localized wind microbursts.
  

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Reply #21 - Jan 9th, 2025 at 3:52pm
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Jack,
Where I grew up we had a anomoly caused by the mafic intrusion of magnetite (LMI in Stillwater Co.) It was a good scapegoat for bad loads, missed shots, accidents, just about anything you care to hang on it.   
We don't have that excuse in the Powder River Basin so now we use things like Radium - the radioactive decay of Uranium - that is so prevelent here.  I'm sure it affects the scales, both digital and analog.  When the wind doesn't blow they say they're so thick bullet flight is affected.  I have a bed of exposed material I shoot over, the g-counter goes nuts - shouldn't affect lead should it?   Roll Eyes Grin  It's all about delivery of the excuse.
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Reply #22 - Jan 9th, 2025 at 5:56pm
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A set of calibration weights is a good thing to have on hand, especially with an electronic scale. I recently obtained a set of Lyman's weights. Playing with them on my 65 years old Redding balance beam showed it to be spot on. But only if I had my tongue in the right corner of my mouth. Left corner for you denizens of the southern hemisphere. It counteracts the Coriolis effect.

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Reply #23 - Jan 9th, 2025 at 6:06pm
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If one wants to really shave the fine hair pick up a Creedmore TRX-925.  A whole 'nother level to 100th of gr.
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Reply #24 - Jan 10th, 2025 at 7:57am
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most of use can't hold that fine a site pic to make a half tenth relevant  art
  
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Reply #25 - Jan 10th, 2025 at 10:15am
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art_ruggiero wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 7:57am:
most of use can't hold that fine a site pic to make a half tenth relevant  art


I agree Art. If I could shoot well enough that these tiny incremental changes helped I might worry. I'll be fine with my old RCBS 10-10 measure.
  

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Reply #26 - Jan 10th, 2025 at 10:23am
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Scales? Phhht. I just eyeball my powder charges and dip with a rusty teaspoon. Money saved from not buying scales goes toward important stuff like mustache wax and whiskey.

My intro to handloading occurred when I was a young teenager at the local gun shop circa 1966. The shop owner had a tidy business selling reloads that he concocted. I became his slave labor which was ok by me because it provided me with the .22 ammo I was oh-so-desperate for at the time. The drill was: resize (mostly .30-06) and re-prime, dip the case in a big keg of Surplus 4831 and strike off the excess with a butter knife, crunch a bullet down on top of it (.30 generic 150 soft points), repeat until the customer's empties were all filled. Heck, we even loaded .30-30's the same way - trusting that one couldn't squeeze enough Surplus 4831 in any cartridge to cause issues. Business was brisk right before hunting season - "Go get yer empties reloaded at Red's gun shop, they shoot hard and really kill deer dead."
  
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Reply #27 - Jan 10th, 2025 at 2:41pm
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Read somewhere that cell phones in case proximity to electronic scales may cause issues. Do not know if that is valid.

I wonder about the new smart TV's if they may affect an electronic scale?
Anybody know?


  
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Reply #28 - Jan 10th, 2025 at 4:01pm
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I been with my Ham Radio hobby since the early 70's tuning and fixing my gear and I found that this new fangled digital equipment as well as the old glowing tubes the accuracy is only as good as the person at the bench tuning them with that golden screw driver.
I put my trust in the old balance beam like the 10/10 RCBS or the old Lyman. 
I spend more time prepping brass and behind the rifle finding and developing my ability with the rifle for the best accuracy then weighing black powder LOL.
  
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Reply #29 - Jan 10th, 2025 at 4:35pm
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stevenjay1 wrote on Jan 9th, 2025 at 10:44am:
Steveu, thanks in advance for posting the reset info for the older Pact scale.  I have one as well and it needs to be reset but I’ve been unable to contact anyone at Pact. 
Thanks, Steve


Here you go, this is the procedure for resetting the PACT scale.  I had the code ERR1 pop up and this is how you reset it.  It may work for other error codes as well.

Turn the unit on, then immediately press "on", "yes" and "no" at the same time for three seconds, then release.  Press "CAL" to return to the calibration sequence.

Good Luck,
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