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Reply #15 - Jan 4th, 2025 at 12:15am
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Square thread is easy. Only the 'backside' of the tool is generating the mating surface on the barrel. And with a RH thread, that face can be vertical and has natural clearance.

Of course, you need more than the helix angle on the non-bearing (left) face ...

Width??? Set the compound parallel to the bed and use it to widen the groove... if you have to. A tedious pain... but lets you use the same tool for multiple pitches.
  
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Reply #16 - Jan 4th, 2025 at 10:02pm
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RBKenn wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 11:33pm:
if you want a V thread RB receiver, you are pretty much limited to the Spanish Oviedo. Or the Swede Commercially manufactured actions and even all of those were not made with V threads. Anything Remington military is bound to be square thread.


I don't necessarily have to have "V" thread, I have limited experience cutting threads on a lathe and just assume the ACME square threads will have their own set of challenges. Do you know, because I'm assuming the Danish Rolling Blocks witb have square threads too?

John Taylor wrote on Jan 3rd, 2025 at 9:31am:
Just finished a roller barrel this week. 1897 pat. date with the sliding extractor. Made it a 45 Colt carbine. 
If you divide 1 by the number of threads per inch and then divide by 2 you will have the size of the cutter for square threads.


Good to know, I would like to have a couple Rolling blocks in pistol cartridge, I have a Ruger Blackhawk in 38-40, that might make for a fine cartridge for a roller. 

Whitewood wrote on Jan 3rd, 2025 at 9:54pm:
ssdave wrote on Jan 3rd, 2025 at 2:50am:
marlinguy wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 8:26pm:
Get some rosin also for round barrels. They can spin pretty easily, and powdered rosin helps them grip better.


I went from using rosin to using powdered sugar, I think it works just as well and is much easier to clean up.



Glad to know about the powdered sugar. It's a LOT easier to find than rosin!
I became aware of the importance of using rosin when I tried to remove a VERY rusted breech plug from a muzzleloader barrel.The barrel kept slipping until I used the rosin. It really made a difference.
Rick W


I will have to give it a try. This barrel wanted to turn so I cut a piece of the square mesh drywall sand paper and placed it between the block and the barrel. It worked good, however the block would suffer damage if used too often. 
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Reply #17 - Jan 4th, 2025 at 10:10pm
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wesg wrote on Jan 4th, 2025 at 12:15am:
Square thread is easy. Only the 'backside' of the tool is generating the mating surface on the barrel. And with a RH thread, that face can be vertical and has natural clearance.

Of course, you need more than the helix angle on the non-bearing (left) face ...

Width??? Set the compound parallel to the bed and use it to widen the groove... if you have to. A tedious pain... but lets you use the same tool for multiple pitches.


I've cut threads on a lathe, however it's been awhile, I'm hoping it's like riding a bike. Thanks for the info on cutting square threads!
  
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Reply #18 - Jan 5th, 2025 at 11:46am
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Working on my 2nd .5L of coffee ...

ACME is 14.5deg on the flanks, same as a gear hob? Enables the threads in the receiver to be milled without canting the cutter. The book on mfg the -03 has pictures of the custom machines they had to build to cut square threads.

The only advantage I see, is the cutter can be sharpened by grinding a single face, the ACME requires hitting all 3. And maybe ACME hadn't yet been invented.
  
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Reply #19 - Jan 5th, 2025 at 2:45pm
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Acme threads were invented in 1894 by the Acme Screw Machine Company in Hartford, Connecticut
  

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Reply #20 - Jan 7th, 2025 at 2:05pm
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I put my barrel vise in my 8-ton press. I don’t really use the huge nuts on it anymore.
  

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Re: Pulled the barrel on a Rolling Block today.
Reply #21 - Jan 8th, 2025 at 2:30pm
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MerwinBray wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 2:05pm:
I put my barrel vise in my 8-ton press. I don’t really use the huge nuts on it anymore.


I have a 12 ton press on my barrel vice. I machine aluminum blocks to fit the barrel. Sometimes the 8 pound hammer helps with the old military actions
  

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Reply #22 - Jan 8th, 2025 at 6:42pm
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John Taylor wrote on Jan 8th, 2025 at 2:30pm:
MerwinBray wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 2:05pm:
I put my barrel vise in my 8-ton press. I don’t really use the huge nuts on it anymore.


I have a 12 ton press on my barrel vice. I machine aluminum blocks to fit the barrel. Sometimes the 8 pound hammer helps with the old military actions


I have a 20 ton press from back in the day when I rebuild transmissions and axles, never cared to hammer bearings in place. 

I really don't mind the 1.5" socket required for the nuts on the press, what I didn't care for was one of the all threads came loose from the base. I may drill and tap the side of the base for a set screw if that issue keeps happening. 

Struggling to find my 5/16 tool bits so I can make square threading bit. Found the 1/4 bits for the 9" South Bend lathe. I really need to upgrade from a standard tool post to an Aloris style tool post. Anyone try the Shars brand? 




  
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