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Dec 26th, 2024 at 2:03pm
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Interested in what folks are doing, I have one last delivery for the year and I'll close the books.  With that, I get to spend the rest of the year on gun builds... you all?   

Of course there's a couple days  out with some travel and a shoot but it's the thought that counts...  The gun time may extend a day into the new year.

I have the mill set up to cut some octagons on barrel blanks, almost enough to keep me in builds for half the year...
  

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Reply #1 - Dec 26th, 2024 at 5:11pm
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Just picked up a Pope Barreled Ballard.  It had a couple small issues which I finished up today.  This is the best picture I have at this point.

But, I think my main project is well documented already in the post a couple line away from this one. Wink
  

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Reply #2 - Dec 26th, 2024 at 6:22pm
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Merry Christmas Bob. The Pope Ballard you just acquired, is that drilled and tapped? Did it come with mounts and a scope? Forend have a horn tip? 

If its the rifle I am thinking of I watched it sell in October at a farm/gun auction where I came home with my Ballard Pacific 45/100. I saw it again for sale in Tulsa at the November show along with a half dozen Pacifics from same sale. Just Curious.

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Reply #3 - Dec 26th, 2024 at 6:28pm
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My current project is my Ballard #3f Fine Gallery scheutzen rifle in .22LR. It is getting the very lightweight 24" full octagon barrel replaced with a heavy 1.21" Green Mountain full round barrel, and should be at Al Springer's place now getting the receiver color cased and barrel rust blued! 
Hoping to see it here some time in January when I'll fit the buttstock, and a new forearm to the barreled action. This was before it shipped off:

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Reply #4 - Dec 26th, 2024 at 7:21pm
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My year end project is taking delivery of a beautiful 38-50 Hepburn that has been in limbo for several different reasons. Right now it is stuck at a FedEx warehouse 40 miles from my doorstep. I have NEVER had so much trouble purchasing a firearm. It is no fault of either the seller or me. It is the fact now everything must go through a FFL to be shipped or received and the postal service who was so late with my check to the seller I panicked and had another one issued sending it certified mail. The seller received my second check and like two days later the first one arrived. This is definitely my last gun purchase. You can never have enough but I think I personally have enough. Got more than I will ever shoot now. 


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Reply #5 - Dec 26th, 2024 at 7:28pm
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I just finished up a long project that started with part of a Stevens small sideplate action that I picked up at Tulsa a while ago.  Just to be different, I chambered it in 22 Extra Long centerfire.  It came out pretty nice.   
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Reply #6 - Dec 27th, 2024 at 12:40pm
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I'll be striving to finish a couple Ballard projects in the new year - a .40-65 on a Pacific receiver and a.32-40 on an unknown model forged receiver. Next up, a .32 S&W liner for a cast receiver project gun. Not a single shot, but a 1903 Springfield NRA Sporter creation using a .22 Hornet barrel and a righteous National Match action has waited patiently for far too long. They're all gonna get finished this year. Honestly, maybe, I hope.....
  
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Reply #7 - Dec 27th, 2024 at 12:54pm
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I hope to finish off two Hepburn projects this year. A DST 32/20 sitting at Al Springers that needs a forearm finished and checkered.

Theres a 25/20 WCF at John Taylors that will need the barrel rust blued and a forearm finished. 

Looking forward to playing with both. Happy New year everyone.
  
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Reply #8 - Dec 27th, 2024 at 2:02pm
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I'm building up three low walls simultaneously.  Two of the are based on the Model 87 training rifle and the other is on a basic flat side receiver.  Those rifles will wear a 1 and 2 sized barrels that will be relined.  The one other will have a 3 1/2 GM 22LR full octagon barrel I plan to finish initially at 32".

Got all three actions working mechanically.  That was not an easy task since parts are a combination or original, MVA, and C Sharps.   
Had to set the #1 barrel back one turn, weld up the rear of the dovetail and reçut same.  Mostly draw filing and polishing ahead.
  
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Reply #9 - Dec 27th, 2024 at 3:35pm
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You guys have some neat projects in store for you next year. I’ve been working on a Winchester 1885 I bought at last Novembers Tulsa show. It has a single set trigger, 34”, number 4 Winchester barrel, rebored by Stevens-Pope to 33.-40 by Pope. Came with a false muzzle. I had to fill several holes under the scope blocks so I polished and rust blued the barrel. Also refinished the stocks &  recheckered both of them. Still have one side of the buttstock to checker.

  

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Reply #10 - Dec 27th, 2024 at 4:33pm
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I will be finishing (3) more breechseat barrels this winter. All (3) for the same Stevens 44 1/2. Recently finished except for rust blueing, is a 33/30 Maynard on a BRC 15twist. This is a 35/30 Maynard necked down to 33 cal. I made form dies and cut the chamber via taper boring. Neck and throat done with a N&T reamer that I had Manson modify to a .3620” neck. Next will be a 28/35 on another 32” BRC barrel blank. Again, I had Manson modify a neck and throater to suit. Remaining is a 25 cal bank that will likely become a 25/35Win. My shooting lane is a mess. I get snow cleared off to get it frozen down and we get more warm weather.
  
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Reply #11 - Dec 27th, 2024 at 4:43pm
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GT, I’m curious why all your barrels are prefinished in the tenon area? Is that for a given process application? My milled octagons are all 11 1/2” long and done in an old wartime Burke #4 horizontal mill with 8” table travel. I used to do a tenon the same diameter as the large end of the finished round taper to make shimming and calculations easier. Last barrel was done completely in an 8” long vee block. I expected more finished flat location issues but was pleasantly surprised at the consistency during rotation on other than opposing flats. All flats were within a couple thousandths of barrel centerline prior to drawfiling.
  
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My object is to make cartridges for an Allen-and-Wheelock “lip-fire” pistol.  This was an early (i860) attempt to evade S&W’s patent on “cylinders bored through”.  The pistol is a husky 44 about the size of an old COLT or similar, but the cartridge itself is essentially a “rimless rimfire”.  Only 250 of the pistols were made, and there was no supply of ammo, so there must be pretty few survivors..... In 50 years, I have never seen another until this spring.

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Reply #13 - Dec 27th, 2024 at 5:22pm
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Making lipfire cartridges is quite an undertaking.  I've make several rimfire cartridges with 22 blanks but the idea of a lipfire is mind blowing.  Can you use a 22 blank for the charge or do you have to make special lipfire priming versions?  I'll be interested in how you are doing this one. 
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The Allen Wheelock revolver I have came through my son’s Sporting goods store a few years ago. Only one I’ve actually seen other than yours here. Mine is also the .44 caliber but I have never shot it because of the lipfire ammo problem. The serial number is 15 and is stamped on all the major parts.

  

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Boomer,
I dial to the bore and turn a 1" diameter fit so it goes in the collet in my fixture.  I'm not sure what action these will end up on so a 1/2" long is enough to hold.  I used to run with two supports between the head and the tail support. I discovered one is enough.
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Crown-C wrote on Dec 27th, 2024 at 5:57pm:
The Allen Wheelock revolver I have came through my son’s Sporting goods store a few years ago. Only one I’ve actually seen other than yours here. Mine is also the .44 caliber but I have never shot it because of the lipfire ammo problem. The serial number is 15 and is stamped on all the major parts.




That is the “first model”, which has a different loading gate.  It’s not quite as handy to manipulate.   Looks like quite a nice specimen, tho....   Mine is #180-some.   Total production was about 250.  They are nicely made weapons.   When/if I get it shooting, I’ll post a thorough discussion of making the ammo.

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Reply #17 - Dec 28th, 2024 at 8:45am
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So I had this Remington 540 single shot 22 action and a 308 barrel. A little machine work and a stock made it into a 32ACP. For those of you that don't know what a 540 is, it's a bolt action with 6 rear locking lugs. A little overkill for a 22 LR. The bolt is in two pieces so it was not to hard to make the forward portion for a center fire. The chamber was cut with a 32 S&W reamer to the desired depth and everything worked out just fine.
  

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rgchristensen wrote on Dec 28th, 2024 at 5:33am:
Crown-C wrote on Dec 27th, 2024 at 5:57pm:
The Allen Wheelock revolver I have came through my son’s Sporting goods store a few years ago. Only one I’ve actually seen other than yours here. Mine is also the .44 caliber but I have never shot it because of the lipfire ammo problem. The serial number is 15 and is stamped on all the major parts.




That is the “first model”, which has a different loading gate.  It’s not quite as handy to manipulate.   Looks like quite a nice specimen, tho....   Mine is #180-some.   Total production was about 250.  They are nicely made weapons.   When/if I get it shooting, I’ll post a thorough discussion of making the ammo.

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Chris, Thanks for the information, I didn’t know there were different models. When you figure out how to make the lipfire ammo I would certainly be interested in the process. Winchester probably will not put it on the production line. LoL  The last time I counted I had 43 different calibers that I reload for, a few are modern calibers but most are old calibers.
  

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Reply #19 - Dec 28th, 2024 at 6:30pm
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I must admit that this topic really hit home reminding me again that I haven't completed any of the following (rank amateur here - broken screwdrives and a rusty pipe wrench): Ballard Pacific return to shooting,  2 32-40 high walls needing stock work, at least 3 low walls to assemble and/or line .22 barrels, try to convert an AYDT to .22 rimfire and build a trapdoor sporter - something that isn't as punishing as the 45-70. 
Occurred to me that if I sell/trade all of them, I can start over fresh next year.  Happpy New Year!
  

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Lining an otherwise nice Stevens 44 .25 Rimfire to .22 Long Rifle and plugging and redrilling four holes in the top of the barrel for scope blocks since the existing holes look like they were drilled by a five-year-old with a hand drill.
  
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I'm gaining a little ground on my projects, some barrels getting closer and the second high wall in a brace of them I have plans for - still inletting - plan is to have this shooting with loads worked up by mid month.   

Thanks everyone for sharing, nice to see others are involved.
  

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Year end has come and gone, darn it, got busier than expected so a lot of what I hoped to do didn't happen.  Squeezing it in when I can.  Besides the HW in the previously post, here's a couple more in the works.
  

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Greg, That Low Wall looks like it may have come out of a river, like a Ballard I know of!
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Yes Bob, it's almost as rough.  It's been kicking around my bench for several years and my note reminds me that I picked it up at a gunshow in '17 - the previous owner said it had been his "truck" gun for 40+ years.   
The original barrel looked like a sewer pipe, and I thought I was going to put a liner in it but on further inspection, it truly must have served as a jack handle, it was bent enough you could only see half a bore of daylight through it - thus the new barrel.  It was originally a 25-20SS so contrary to what I have marked on it, (25-21) it's going back to a 25-20SS and it'll be my OH Q-bore Schuetzen piece.  Both original pieces of wood were beyond hope so it's getting a full make-over.
Following the lead on your River Ballard, I doubt that it'll change much from what you see here.  I'll try for a "nice" brown patina on the barrel to go with it.
  

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Finishing it “as is” will definitely make it a conversation piece.  People are always asking, “what’s wrong with that action” on my gun.
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Out of work?

Stevens Tipup 22. Maybe a #7, I'd have to look it up.

Off the top of my head ..  needs a liner, and maybe strip and re-nickel the receiver and buttplate ... blue the barrel.

Still blows my mind ... as awkward as they look ... shoulder one offhand and they just FIT.
  
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"as awkward as they look ... shoulder one offhand and they just FIT."

Couldn't agree more, I have two of them and for awful hand they don't come much better.    

When you get your's done, share pics.
  

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Finished installing the .22 LR barrel liner in the former .25 RF Stevens 44. Shot it today and all systems are go. This is the second rifle I have installed a barrel liner in and both shoot quite well.
  
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Work is still getting in the way but I'm not a complete slacker.  Grin A few late evenings and a little progress has been made.  Here's pics of this Ballard mutt, the barrel with the chamber finally cut (the 30-06 reformed cases are working as well as the originals - that long skinny reamer dealt it's fair share of issues to make)  and the guts of the breech block on display.  The self cocking mechanism may work this time around.

rnnhntr, thanks for sharing a progress report.

I adopted another wayward high wall around christmas time (that's what my son calls it anyway) I provide sanctuary for single shots that otherwise may end up in the scrap bin.  Some Parkenfarker has modified the barrel from octagon to half round  - with a hand grinder and the bore looked like it had been drilled out with a brace and bit for some form of a liner, maybe a Roebuck 22 barrel that Harlan thought he could grind with the same grinder and make fit...  The tang screws were missing but fear not, drywall screws were in place with a dab of steel putty.    More details on this later...
This will finish out as a mate for the Ballard, same caliber only in a bench configuration...
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Reply #30 - Jan 22nd, 2025 at 11:07am
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Is that 28-30 case made from a 30-06 parent case?
  

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Yes Scott it is.
Not for the meek and mild either but I'm getting the process sorted out.  Carnage has been substantial and there are a lot of junk pieces of 30-06 and several die bodies in my wake.  I did a brief post on it a while back with only a sliver of interest.  The swaging process I've worked through gives me a very heavy wall at the head so it'll be a substantially reduced load in this case, but it should be everlasting Wink.
Here's pics of just a tiny bit of carnage followed by a couple of good ones next to a Peter's original.

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Amazing what with some dies and a little tonnage you can come up with. That's what I would call re purposing to the extreme...




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Did some more on the Ballard tonight, made a sliding extractor, the arm for it and started fitting it.  A little more to do yet.
  

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Square threads on a Ballard! Cool! Cool
  

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Reply #35 - Jan 27th, 2025 at 11:17am
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Greg, how are you retaining the extractor on the Ballard? The Remington #7 has a screw in from the side, you doing something similar?
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The extractor is following the Eric Johnson design, it's a close fit in the slot, and the arm comes up from the lever and movement is limited by the window cut in the barrel.  I'll share pictures of that when I get there.  I've used this method on five of my other builds and it works flawlessly.  I'm still working the arm into the slot on the receiver.
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Reply #37 - Jan 28th, 2025 at 5:25pm
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Looks like my year end project didn't end last year, but I did get a call from someone at C Sharps Monday to verify what type of crown I wanted on my Ballard #3F, and spacing for the scope bases! 
So should be on it's way to Al Springer by now for rust bluing and color case. Once it's here I'll fit the new forearm to the large heavy barrel and mount a spare scope for some ammo testing!
  

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Yes Jerry, I am retarded that way, square threads when I can...

Vall, the 3F sounds like a worthwhile project to carry over.  Smiley  My best laid plans of finishing a couple of these lingering projects by years end, didn't happen.  The boss cracked the whip and chose to finish a couple of work projects by year's end instead.  My little gun projects are going to linger til June now I bet so this thread will just carry on - confusing for some, maybe my fiscal gun year will be moved to June?
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Reply #39 - Jan 30th, 2025 at 9:55am
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Had some wee hour free time last night, the dummy barrel stub is in and proven for the extractor.  All that's left is to fit the arm into the slot and notch the extractor (red arrow in the pic).   
Bob you had asked about retaining the slider? the tip of the arm fits into the slider and it's captured so motion is limited.  The extractor only has .180" worth of motion, enough for your finger to grab the case and remove it.
  

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Reply #40 - Jan 30th, 2025 at 11:01am
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Glad to see some progress on your stuff, even if didn't get finished.  I started to finish the low wall project I'm stocking, and after the first day, my hands got "winter cracked" so bad I couldn't stand to wash inletting black and walnut purple stain off of them.  So, just super glued them and walked away until they heal.  Now, on the road, going to spend a few weeks in Tucson, St George, Death valley so will be mid to end of February before I get back to them.

Always easy to find excuses!  I pulled a muscle in my back around new years, and it's been so sore I haven't been able to get down on the floor and grout my new lathe in place, so it's sitting on shims waiting for that.  The mill is waiting the old one to sell and move out of the way so it can get into final position.  Again, lots of excuses!
  
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Reply #41 - Jan 30th, 2025 at 11:50am
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Greg, I thought that’s what you were saying.  Been thinking about this type of extractor for this Hepburn I’ve been working on, but been so tied up with all the other intricacies of the gun I haven’t spent much time thinking about it.  The owner of the original thinks I should make it with multiple barrels, which would be fun, but unless I chamber them all with the same family of cartridge I would need to completely disassemble the action to remove/install a barrel and change extractors.  The original is a 2 barrel setup, a 44 and 30-40 Krag.
Bob

It’s funny how when your writing something your mind starts thinking clearer.  After writing the above comment on the Hepburn’s extractor it got me thinking that the way the extractor is fastened into this action has me wondering, if with the breech block down, maybe the extractor can be removed.  The way this thing was designed it wouldn’t surprise me!
  

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Reply #42 - Jan 30th, 2025 at 1:26pm
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Bob,
I implemented this same extractor design into my 22rf Hepburn but I'd already installed a conventional one in my 44-77 Hepburn or I'd have done one there also.  The other thing I did in both cases was to get rid of the folded lever spring, these builds now have a spring not unlike the HW hammer spring.  Switching a barrel is easy on the 22, and again I'd made it with square threads and it bumps up and clocks like a vault.  I have a lighter (tongue in cheek) barrel for it and an extremely heavy for it...

Dave, besides my work problem, my other excuse is traveling to shoots on the weekends - gets in the way of some of these builds...  Woe is me... Wink
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Reply #43 - Feb 1st, 2025 at 1:28am
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I try to stay on course, but fail frequently.  Here's my distraction tonight... The high wall 22 I've been competing with is kind of bland but it shoots well.  Here's spicing it up a tiny bit -  poured a pewter forend cap tonight, semi finished. 
The rifle is already heavy so I didn't want to add a lot of mass out there so I kept things small.
  

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Reply #44 - Feb 1st, 2025 at 11:09am
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That's a nice touch Greg! Never seen one like it, and it looks much better than the usual huge variations.
  

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It's three months into the new year but last years projects are still lingering.  One project is done enough to shoot, in fact planning it's maiden voyage at a match this weekend - big bore gong match, another member/fellow shooter and I are having a "pop gun" match while the rest of the shooters will be shooting their 45's and whatnot, ours will be 38's.  Thats the HW on the left.  Next in the line-up is a Ballard.  It's in 22lr and the plan for it is to be shooting in time for a match the following weekend, not sure it will make it... The last two a LW and another Ballard need to be shooting with loads worked up by mid June.  That's a stretch as a couple more were added to that schedule.
  

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Reply #46 - yesterday at 10:01am
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That's an aggressive schedule, hope you can make it!  Looking good.
  
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Reply #47 - yesterday at 10:57am
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Looks like a lot of work to do while running a full time shop and customer's work! Good luck Greg!
  

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Reply #48 - yesterday at 10:59am
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Greg, you make me feel like a slacker!   
I seems everything I work on goes at a snails pace.  What makes it even worse, your running a business yet and I’m retired!
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Reply #49 - yesterday at 12:01pm
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First off, Dave, my idea of completion is the rifle shoots, accurately is better, but showing potential is positive.  The wood... a smooth sanded grip and cheekpiece with a buttplate is good enough... having a quick coat of oil, wet sanding is optional... drives the OCD's that I shoot with absolutely nuts  Grin.

Now the real crux here is, the repair business I'm in - just took a major turn and work load is intensifying.  Somebody is getting a lot busier than he used to be, with any luck - I can stay at my current pace - finding gun time late in the evenings... Wink   
  

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Reply #50 - yesterday at 3:02pm
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Nice work GT!
If I lived closer I would help you with the stocks... as I kinda like doing those Wink
Too funny about your OCD comment ... still laughing! Grin
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