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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2927 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Original 44 1/2 vs 044 1/2 Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 10:38am	Print Post
	Been reading a bit in the de Haas book and he only makes a passing mention (short paragraph on pg 134) of the 044 1/2, stating the receiver is a bit narrower and action only good for small cartridges (22RF, small CF like the 22 Hornet, etc.). Am wondering if the internal parts of the 044 1/2 are different from the 44 1/2 (not the CPA actions)? Same parts work in both? Thanks.
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	Glenn - 2x CPA 44 1/2 w/22LR (Shilen ratchet-rifled & Bartlein 5R rifled), 38-40RH & 38-55WCF (Bartlein 5R rifled) & 40-65WCF (GrnMtn 'X') barrels
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Dellet Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1111 Joined: May 19^th, 2017	Re: Original 44 1/2 vs 044 1/2 Reply #1 - Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 11:50am	Print Post
	The trigger parts and lower tang, hammer and fly. Probably the firing pin, I’ve never compared that or the plunger that keeps pressure on the breech block through the action. The rest is different. All the screws are same diameter, but longer. Most can be shortened and used. Some parts can be easily modified if they are not hardened like the link. Installing 44 1/2 parts into an 044 1/2 is easier than from scratch, takes some thought and commitment. Breech blocks are the biggest obstacle, I would love to find one or two. If you have specific questions I can probably answer.


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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2927 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: Original 44 1/2 vs 044 1/2 Reply #2 - Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 12:39pm	Print Post
	Dellet wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 11:50am: The trigger parts and lower tang, hammer and fly. Probably the firing pin, I’ve never compared that or the plunger that keeps pressure on the breech block through the action. The rest is different. All the screws are same diameter, but longer. Most can be shortened and used. Some parts can be easily modified if they are not hardened like the link. Installing 44 1/2 parts into an 044 1/2 is easier than from scratch, takes some thought and commitment. Breech blocks are the biggest obstacle, I would love to find one or two. If you have specific questions I can probably answer. By 'rest is different' I assume that is the springs and links as that is about all that is left. CPA offers blocks for the original 44 1/2, as well as many other parts.

	Glenn - 2x CPA 44 1/2 w/22LR (Shilen ratchet-rifled & Bartlein 5R rifled), 38-40RH & 38-55WCF (Bartlein 5R rifled) & 40-65WCF (GrnMtn 'X') barrels
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KensBullard Participating Member Offline Posts: 12 Joined: Dec 17^th, 2024	Re: Original 44 1/2 vs 044 1/2 Reply #3 - Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 1:45pm	Print Post
	the 44 1/2 lever is different enough that it cant be made to work. I have hammer screws and lower tang screws on hand for both. a number of years ago I had Rodney cast me up some levers up with the link slot filled in so I could make a new lever. Kensmachine
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Dellet Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1111 Joined: May 19^th, 2017	Re: Original 44 1/2 vs 044 1/2 Reply #4 - Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 3:22pm	Print Post
	SSShooter wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 12:39pm: Dellet wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 11:50am: The trigger parts and lower tang, hammer and fly. Probably the firing pin, I’ve never compared that or the plunger that keeps pressure on the breech block through the action. The rest is different. All the screws are same diameter, but longer. Most can be shortened and used. Some parts can be easily modified if they are not hardened like the link. Installing 44 1/2 parts into an 044 1/2 is easier than from scratch, takes some thought and commitment. Breech blocks are the biggest obstacle, I would love to find one or two. If you have specific questions I can probably answer. By 'rest is different' I assume that is the springs and links as that is about all that is left. CPA offers blocks for the original 44 1/2, as well as many other parts. Are you trying to put double set triggers in a 044 1/2 using 44 1/2 and or CPA parts?


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KensBullard Participating Member Offline Posts: 12 Joined: Dec 17^th, 2024	Re: Original 44 1/2 vs 044 1/2 Reply #5 - Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 5:32pm	Print Post
	the lower tang is about the only part that will go right in both the 44 1/2 & 044 1/2


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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2927 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: Original 44 1/2 vs 044 1/2 Reply #6 - Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 10:07pm	Print Post
	Dellet wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 3:22pm: SSShooter wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 12:39pm: Dellet wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 11:50am: The trigger parts and lower tang, hammer and fly. Probably the firing pin, I’ve never compared that or the plunger that keeps pressure on the breech block through the action. The rest is different. All the screws are same diameter, but longer. Most can be shortened and used. Some parts can be easily modified if they are not hardened like the link. Installing 44 1/2 parts into an 044 1/2 is easier than from scratch, takes some thought and commitment. Breech blocks are the biggest obstacle, I would love to find one or two. If you have specific questions I can probably answer. By 'rest is different' I assume that is the springs and links as that is about all that is left. CPA offers blocks for the original 44 1/2, as well as many other parts. Are you trying to put double set triggers in a 044 1/2 using 44 1/2 and or CPA parts? Changing my 44 1/2 from single to DST. But, may have access to 044 1/2 parts.

	Glenn - 2x CPA 44 1/2 w/22LR (Shilen ratchet-rifled & Bartlein 5R rifled), 38-40RH & 38-55WCF (Bartlein 5R rifled) & 40-65WCF (GrnMtn 'X') barrels
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Dellet Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1111 Joined: May 19^th, 2017	Re: Original 44 1/2 vs 044 1/2 Reply #7 - Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 10:38pm	Print Post
	SSShooter wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 10:07pm: Dellet wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 3:22pm: SSShooter wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 12:39pm: Dellet wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 11:50am: The trigger parts and lower tang, hammer and fly. Probably the firing pin, I’ve never compared that or the plunger that keeps pressure on the breech block through the action. The rest is different. All the screws are same diameter, but longer. Most can be shortened and used. Some parts can be easily modified if they are not hardened like the link. Installing 44 1/2 parts into an 044 1/2 is easier than from scratch, takes some thought and commitment. Breech blocks are the biggest obstacle, I would love to find one or two. If you have specific questions I can probably answer. By 'rest is different' I assume that is the springs and links as that is about all that is left. CPA offers blocks for the original 44 1/2, as well as many other parts. Are you trying to put double set triggers in a 044 1/2 using 44 1/2 and or CPA parts? Changing my 44 1/2 from single to DST. But, may have access to 044 1/2 parts. All you would need to change would be the trigger set and lever. The single trigger lever won’t allow the second trigger within the opening. The only reason to replace the hammer spring would be if you change between straight and pistol grip. CPA parts work with some fitting. The block, lever, lever plunger, link, extractor are all narrower on the 044 1/2. You can make the 44 1/2 parts work in the 044 1/2. But not the other way around. Easier to remove material than add. Making the breech block from the 44 1/2 work in the 044 1/2 is not realistic. I’ve done trigger conversions on both. I’m interested in any parts that would be specific to the 044 1/2. Buy or trade if that helps you get your project done.


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Sure shot Oldtimer Offline Posts: 929 Location: East central Iowa Joined: Jun 22^nd, 2020	Re: Original 44 1/2 vs 044 1/2 Reply #8 - Dec 23^rd, 2024 at 1:13pm	Print Post
	The trigger plate or tang on a 44 1/2 or 044 1/2 from a different rifle will probably still need to be fitted to your action. It shouldn't take much fitting though. If you're lucky it might drop right in. The 044 1/2 rifles are petite, other than the LOP, I would say that they are comparable in size to a 1915 favorite. Of course they're a million times stronger than a favorite. You're limited to smaller cartridges due to the small barrel shank size of 3/4".


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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2927 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: Original 44 1/2 vs 044 1/2 Reply #9 - Dec 24^th, 2024 at 10:59am	Print Post
	If I understand correctly several of the internal parts (block, lever, etc.) of the 044 1/2 are slightly narrower than those of the 44 1/2.

	Glenn - 2x CPA 44 1/2 w/22LR (Shilen ratchet-rifled & Bartlein 5R rifled), 38-40RH & 38-55WCF (Bartlein 5R rifled) & 40-65WCF (GrnMtn 'X') barrels
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Dellet Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1111 Joined: May 19^th, 2017	Re: Original 44 1/2 vs 044 1/2 Reply #10 - Dec 24^th, 2024 at 1:38pm	Print Post
	The 044 1/2 is a narrower version of the 44 1/2. Lower tang and trigger components, hammer and spring, will interchange. CPA lower tang and triggers will fit as well in a 044 1/2 as they do in a 44 1/2. Fitting will be required. The breech block for the 044 1/2 is narrower. Both internal and external. So a 44 1/2 link will not fit without modification. But it can work. If a 44 1/2 block was narrowed to fit a 044 1/2, the supporting legs that give the action its strength would probably only support pressures of a 22LR. You would have to weld up those legs and then recut the inside openings. Screws and pins are the same diameter for 044 1/2 and 44 1/2. So shortening those components can make them interchagable. CPA pins and screws are longer yet, and some have a different thread pitch, and or smaller diameter. The 44 1/2 Stevens and CPA lever is wider than the 044 1/2. As is the plunger that holds the lever tight. I think that’s all the parts covered. If I missed something let me know.


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Sure shot Oldtimer Offline Posts: 929 Location: East central Iowa Joined: Jun 22^nd, 2020	Re: Original 44 1/2 vs 044 1/2 Reply #11 - Dec 24^th, 2024 at 2:04pm	Print Post
	Dellet pretty well covered it. 44 1/2, 044 1/2, and 44 left to right.


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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2927 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: Original 44 1/2 vs 044 1/2 Reply #12 - Dec 24^th, 2024 at 3:42pm	Print Post
	Picture is worth a thousand words. Would be nice to add a CPA on the left next to the 44 1/2. Thanks.

	Glenn - 2x CPA 44 1/2 w/22LR (Shilen ratchet-rifled & Bartlein 5R rifled), 38-40RH & 38-55WCF (Bartlein 5R rifled) & 40-65WCF (GrnMtn 'X') barrels
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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2927 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: Original 44 1/2 vs 044 1/2 Reply #13 - yesterday at 12:31pm	Print Post
	The original 44 1/2 I purchased online turns out to be an 044 1/2, which pleases me greatly. Not only that, it has the somewhat rare spring-loaded ejector. It has taken a fair bit of work, but should be finishing the wood in another month or two. Thus far, have fitted a new DST (thank you Gail at CPA), bone-charcoal case colored the receiver, lower tang & lever, put on a new Bartlein 22RF 5R barrel and put in new 0.015" larger pins to take the worn-slop out of the action.

	Glenn - 2x CPA 44 1/2 w/22LR (Shilen ratchet-rifled & Bartlein 5R rifled), 38-40RH & 38-55WCF (Bartlein 5R rifled) & 40-65WCF (GrnMtn 'X') barrels
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bobw Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 1591 Location: NW, Iowa Joined: Mar 19^th, 2013	Re: Original 44 1/2 vs 044 1/2 Reply #14 - yesterday at 12:35pm	Print Post
	Case looks good, you mind saying who did it for you? Bob

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