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Schuetzen Sharps recommendation
Nov 29th, 2024 at 10:36am
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What would be a good recommendation for a new Sharps rifle dedicated to Schuetzen shooting?  In my mind I'm considering a 32" light half-round barrel perhaps in 40-70 Sharps Straight.  I say that because I have a lot of Jamison brass I can use for that caliber and already have dies, etc.  Single or double triggers?  Also have ditto for 38-55 but am leaning 40.  I'm nearing retirement and there's a range not far from me and would love to get involved with this fascinating sport.  Really only interested in Sharps rifles although I know there is a scad of others.

Also, can you use only iron sights and not get into scopes?  Something about a big Unertl just doesn't scream 1880 to me.  I'm kind of a traditionalist.

  
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Reply #1 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 11:01am
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As a Sharps lover myself, you will find that OVERALL you will not be able to successfully compete in the Schuetzen game against those shooting Stevens 44 1/2 (original or CPA) High Wall Winchesters, Ballards etc. let alone Millers and other more modern actions. A side hammer Sharps is just not accurate enough, regardless of caliber. 
Now if you are considering a model '78 Borchardt, that's a whole 'nuther ball game. You could build up a first-rate Schuetzen rifle on that Sharps action. I'd recommend (as you lean traditional) chambering for .32-40 rather than a .40 if you want to be competitive.
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Re: Schuetzen Sharps recommendation
Reply #2 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 12:42pm
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Gotcha.  Good recommendations.  Never really thought about 32-40.

  
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Reply #3 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 12:46pm
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My dream has been to build a 74' Sharps' Offhand rifle. In the interum I put a .22 liner in one to try it out. Off the bench it is sufficiently accurate. Offhand it is worse than a side cocking air rifle for lock time. If you have a steady hold and perfect follow through on every shot it is fairly good. Any mis ques or non perfect form will astound you with how far the error is on the target. I am giving up on my dream and concentrating on a Ballard.

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Reply #4 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 1:02pm
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Wow.  OK thanks.  I guess this explains the much smaller hammers on the later model Sharps.  Is it ever "a thing" these days to buy an old beater military Borchardt and rebuild it for competition?
  
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Re: Schuetzen Sharps recommendation
Reply #5 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 3:21pm
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Although some have used a .40 caliber of various types, it's not a great choice. Mainly due to shooter fatigue from the heavier recoil of most .40's. I have a couple original Rigby Ballards in .40-63 Ballard cartridge, and always wondered how shooters handled these for an entire match and didn't get worn out?
The .32-40 or .38-55 are much better choices. But if I was stuck on a .40 caliber for scheutzen I'd choose the .40-50SS as they are much easier on the shooter with a 300-315 grain bullet, and the brass is cheap and easy to make from .30-40 Krag or .303 British brass. I shoot a couple in .40-50SS and it's a fun, mild cartridge to shoot.
There's a good reason you see almost no Sharps 1874's as scheutzen rifles. That big sidehammer is not conducive to great offhand shooting. Pretty slow lock time.
  

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Re: Schuetzen Sharps recommendation
Reply #6 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 4:02pm
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rmcnabb wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 1:02pm:
Wow.  OK thanks.  I guess this explains the much smaller hammers on the later model Sharps.  Is it ever "a thing" these days to buy an old beater military Borchardt and rebuild it for competition?

Or you can wander over to the For Sale forum and check out Ken's .32-40 Borchardt ( 1878 Sharps BRC Borchardt Rifle in 32-40 $3,750 )

Probably cost you that much to buy a beater and get the work done if you have to shop it out.
  
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Re: Schuetzen Sharps recommendation
Reply #7 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 8:17pm
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Hello Smoke,
Thanks for your post.
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Reply #8 - Nov 30th, 2024 at 8:52am
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bohemianway wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 12:46pm:
My dream has been to build a 74' Sharps' Offhand rifle. In the interum I put a .22 liner in one to try it out. Off the bench it is sufficiently accurate. Offhand it is worse than a side cocking air rifle for lock time. If you have a steady hold and perfect follow through on every shot it is fairly good. Any mis ques or non perfect form will astound you with how far the error is on the target. I am giving up on my dream and concentrating on a Ballard.

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I have been shooting a Shiloh 45-70 Business rifle in some of the club matches here. Most of the guys are shooting for fun and our usual range is just 50m. I am normally in the top 1/4 or at worst top 1/3 shooting full BP loads with 325gr FN bullet. Most of the guys in the club are not shooting vintage Feuerstutzen, but rather one of the Italian single-shot in one of the pistol calibers.

I also have a Crosno insert in use at times and with it you do really notice a long locktime. Good training for follow-thru Grin
  

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Re: Schuetzen Sharps recommendation
Reply #9 - Nov 30th, 2024 at 5:18pm
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Not totally germain but….

I have a CSA Model 74 chambered in 40-70 SS (barrel says CAL. 40   2 ½). I bought it in 2009, in .40-65, but realized it was not an original Sharps chambering,  so I sent it back to the factory in 2010 to be re-barreled in the 40-70 SS. Barrel is a 30” 1:16 twist Badger. It has never seen smokeless or a gas check. My favorite revolver round is .41 Mag., so I have a slight bias towards .40 caliber. 

I guess I’m also something of a “traditionalist”. 

It has a Hoke rear sight and a Baldwin front globe sight. It will never have a scope. 

The cases are Hornady 405 Winchester. The mold is a Paul Jones 416-grain “Money” type. I’m working my way through 25-pounds of Old E 1 ½.

In addition to entertaining myself at our club’s longest range of 200-meters, I shoot it twice a year @ a Scheutzen match, off the bench, 200-yards. And there have been (5) BPCR silhouette matches for me over the years. The old saying “you either are a winner or a learner”…I’ve been learning for years! I just enjoy shooting it and I know I’m a very poor offhand shooter, so don’t even try. 

I’m a victim, like many here, of the movie “Quigley Down Under”. It has been said that the gun in the movie is the real co-star, not Laura San G. And Mike V’s book also fed my addiction.

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Re: Schuetzen Sharps recommendation
Reply #10 - Dec 1st, 2024 at 8:16am
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didn't a new york rifle club order some 74 model sharps rifles in 40/50 bottle neck as shootzen rifles back in the era?  art
  
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Reply #11 - Dec 1st, 2024 at 2:11pm
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Overbaugh I think.
  

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Reply #12 - Dec 1st, 2024 at 7:37pm
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That is some nice wood on that business rifle...



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Re: Schuetzen Sharps recommendation
Reply #13 - Dec 2nd, 2024 at 10:54am
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jhm wrote on Dec 1st, 2024 at 7:37pm:
That is some nice wood on that business rifle...



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I bought it from another member here, I am uncertain what the grade of wood ordered was....
  

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