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What constitutes the perfect Schuetzen cartridge?
Nov 28th, 2024 at 1:54pm
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Straight wall?
Tapered wall?
With a shoulder ? 
Smokeless in a tapered wall?
Smokeless in a straight wall?
A heavy enough projectile to buck the maximum amount of wind without dropping much? 
A lighter faster projectile?
A looong cartridge 
A short cartridge 
Assuming both velocities are the same?
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Re: What constitutes the perfect Schuetzen cartridge?
Reply #1 - Nov 28th, 2024 at 2:48pm
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How about a 50 BMG with a 460 gr paper patch bullet.  Get it going fast enough to laugh at the wind!

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Re: What constitutes the perfect Schuetzen cartridge?
Reply #2 - Nov 28th, 2024 at 5:58pm
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There is no "perfect" Schuetzen cartridges but, there are "Modern" and "Traditional".
  
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Reply #3 - Nov 28th, 2024 at 8:13pm
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On the otherhand Alberta Schuetzen Guild shooters strongly believe the .32 RKS case is the best breech seating cartridge.

  
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Reply #4 - Nov 28th, 2024 at 9:50pm
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Ok that’s a start. So, why do they believe that?
  
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Reply #5 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 8:09am
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manageable recoil efficient case capacity  avery good quality rifle  and a good shooter  that's all Smiley Smiley   art
  
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Re: What constitutes the perfect Schuetzen cartridge?
Reply #6 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 8:48am
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The modern Schuetzen cartridges are the .32 Miller and the .32 RKS. 

Both are straight walled with a slight taper from using a .223 FL sizing die to form them.

Originally the .32 Miller used the shorter and weaker .357 Magnum cases whereas the .32 RKS used the .357 Maximum cases which are thicker walled and have a significantly longer life span.

The .32 Miller is a shorter case and is much more susceptible to powder load changes whereas the longer more voluminous .32 RKS case being 1.470" long is less susceptible and allows for fine tuning powder loads over a more extensive range.

And I have not seen anyone with a .32 Miller shoot five five shot groups in a row in less than one hour that have an average 1/2 MOA accuracy.

I extensively used .32-40 but was unable to fine tune powder loads for my rifle that I could with the .32 RKS.

Last picture of fine tuning a load by adjusting a Weber seater using .32 RKS cases - 10 shot groups @ 100 yards.
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Re: What constitutes the perfect Schuetzen cartridge?
Reply #7 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:51am
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Dave, I don't know a lot about the various cartridges out there.  What is a 32 maximum?  Is the brass easy to come by?

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Reply #8 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 11:18am
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That's a typo.  It should read .357 Maximum.
  
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Re: What constitutes the perfect Schuetzen cartridge?
Reply #9 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 12:07pm
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"Schuetzen" = from the standing position. 32-40 or 8.15X46R.  If you want to use black powder the 8.15X46R is the best .32 in my experience. BP 38-55 is also very good if you are an experienced OH shooter. 

  
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Re: What constitutes the perfect Schuetzen cartridge?
Reply #10 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 12:55pm
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Ideally a fixed loading would be best for offhand. Look into user  MIS (Martin Sten..) he did a lot of experimenting with cartridges for fixed offhand shooting. 

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Reply #11 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 1:08pm
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Sure can't argue with results as Dave shows but suggest the .33-47 is more traditional and probably the easiest cartridge to get to shoot well.
A little more bullet weight to buck the wind. 100 yds. is good but 200 is tougher.
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Re: What constitutes the perfect Schuetzen cartridge?
Reply #12 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 1:27pm
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Good question: A heavy enough projectile to buck the maximum amount of wind without dropping much?
Every match I was in at 200 yards I always felt I had the advantage over the 32-40's shooting a 33-47 with 240gr. Spitzer bullet. I will back this statement up if you like. That said the 32-40 overall is an excellent round.
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Re: What constitutes the perfect Schuetzen cartridge?
Reply #13 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 3:20pm
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A whole lot depends on the rifle, the rifleman, and weather conditions.  In his later years Charlie Dell developed his own version of the “32/357” similar to the 32 Miller Short. It utilized a 195-200 grain bullet over a reasonably filled case with an off-powder wad to keep the charge consistently oriented close to the primer.  I don’t claim to be any kind of expert;  Charlie was, and this was the end result of his long program of experimentation.
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Re: What constitutes the perfect Schuetzen cartridge?
Reply #14 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 4:04pm
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One of the best schuetzen cartridges that I have used is the 38 Spl case, un-necked, with a steep chamfer into the .32 bore, throated to use with breech-seated bullets.  Very easy to load the ctgs, easy to load the rifle, cheap cases.  Keep it simple.

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