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Reply #90 - Nov 18th, 2024 at 11:49am
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Off and running...hope this works!

The front face is setup square to the mill, the barrel threaded hole is drilled and finished by boring for the most accurate hole.  Since I don't have a setup for my lathe like what Greg (GT) uses, I just run a tap in.   

I then turned the false barrel stub at 1.200 diameter.  The treads have just enough resistance at this point that you have to turn it on all the way. The barrel will be the same.  This second photo also shows some of the layout, including the radius we have discussed.

This third photo is a closer look at the radius.  The small white dot at the yellow arrow is the center.

In this last picture I have placed a ruler on the line from the center to the top of the radius.  The barrel mortice is the square in front the radius. As can be seen, not much room for machining the radius.  About the biggest end mill that could be used is a 1/4 inch. Of course, as discussed, this would be too rough it out and then be finished with a scraper.
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Reply #91 - Nov 18th, 2024 at 2:45pm
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There must be days when you just sit back and smile. Thanks for including us.
  

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Reply #92 - Nov 18th, 2024 at 5:48pm
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bob,  6 pages of discussion before a piece of metal was touched must be a new record. keep up the great brainteasers.   tony<><
  
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Reply #93 - Nov 18th, 2024 at 5:59pm
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Looking forward to this build journey Bob!
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Reply #94 - Nov 18th, 2024 at 7:54pm
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Well it's started. Looking forward to the build. Don't leave out even the smallest detail...



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Reply #95 - Nov 21st, 2024 at 12:26pm
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I spend lots of time checking and double checking my numbers, and thinking through the steps to machine a frame like this.  So for now I am just opening up the frame to within around .015 per edge of the final size of all the openings.  When fully opened up it will then be similar to machining a casting set to get to the final finish to size. 

In these two pictures I am machine very deep into the steel blank in order to get below some of the features inside the final frame.  I first drilled 1/4 inch holes over 2 inches deep, staying inside my layout lines, this save some work with an end mill.  As can be seen in the first picture (larger hole at the front) I tried drilling the front area of the breech block, knowing the risk involved because of the barrel shank hole intersecting this area, it didn't go well, but no harm done.  I ended up just picked away at this area with the end mill, it needed to be below 1.310 inches from the top of the frame.

Once the holes were drilled I continued picked away at it with a 1/4 inch end mill, the largest I can use in this area.  I was milling over an 1 1/2 deep at some points which stretched the ability of the end mill I was using.  Since I was rough out the holes I wasn't overly concerned about side straightness, I have a slight taper on all side currently. If I was machining to my final sizing I would have taken the time to grind the shank of the end mill, in order to gain clearance, as I went deeper past the cutting flutes.  Being carbide end mills, grinding the shank isn't as easy as walking over to a grinder. It takes special grinding wheels, diamond in my case, that I only have on my tool grinder.

This first picture shows the roughing out after drilling.  You can still see where the drill went through in the side of the opening.

This second picture is what things looks like after machine to final rough opening size.  These two larger front tracks or openings are where the breech block moves. The rear, longer cut, is the hammer path.  These round corners will need to be removed later.  Once the frame is opened up and the profile is closer to final size there will be much less material and depth to work with and I will use a smaller diameter end mill in order to reduce the size of the corner radius so the final truing up is easier.  The final truing up will be done, as a few of us have shown here in the past, by using a scraper to square the corner and sides for the breech block.

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Reply #96 - Nov 21st, 2024 at 12:36pm
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As a reminder to some and information to anyone new to all this, or just curious, I do everything on manual machines, no DRO or power feed.   

This sure drives my pro-machinist friends crazy.  Grin

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Reply #97 - Nov 21st, 2024 at 10:31pm
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It would drive me bonkers if I lost my DRO. A tip o’ the hat to you Bob.
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Reply #98 - Nov 22nd, 2024 at 6:22am
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bobw wrote on Nov 21st, 2024 at 12:36pm:
As a reminder to some and information to anyone new to all this, or just curious, I do everything on manual machines, no DRO or power feed.  

This sure drives my pro-machinist friends crazy.  Grin

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Smiley been there, done that......backlash.. remember backlash LOL
  
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Reply #99 - Nov 22nd, 2024 at 11:58am
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Understand, my DRO just quit on me. Can't argue, 1977 model.
Helpless without it. In the process of replacing it.
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Reply #100 - Nov 22nd, 2024 at 7:50pm
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I’ve gotten so use to the .045 backlash it doesn’t even bother me anymore, the mill is still very accurate and I trust it.

Isn’t it still direct read out when the lines line up.  Grin
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Reply #101 - Nov 23rd, 2024 at 5:52am
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bobw wrote on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 7:50pm:
I’ve gotten so use to the .045 backlash it doesn’t even bother me anymore, the mill is still very accurate and I trust it.

Isn’t it still direct read out when the lines line up.  Grin
Bob

Yes they are.
A short story if I may concerning the lines. When I was a toolmaker back 40 years ago or so, working in a mold shop we had a dedicated bridgeport with an Advance Rotary Table on it. If I may brag, there were and are few people in the world who are as good as I was on that table (we don't need no stinking CNC). And the bridgeport table dials were marked and the dial locks locked on zero, clockwise turning direction (so the backlash was taken up correctly) and X was on the left table dial, so you knew where the center of the Advance table was. It was a crime for anyone to adjust those zero's or table marks. Then we got a new hire and he, maybe not experienced, changed them. OMG the boss went off on him like no ones business. So those marks are most important, I know where you are coming from. Smiley 
  
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Reply #102 - Nov 23rd, 2024 at 10:26am
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When I worked with the Boeing company many years ago we had 13 Bridgeports both series one and two and they all had dro except one. I was amazed at the blueing and scribe marks on that machine. On the table on the apron on the saddle. They were everywhere. It was probably the tightest one in the shop. Nothing very deep mind you but just light scribe marks. I even made a few myself...



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Reply #103 - Nov 26th, 2024 at 6:07pm
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I'm not a Hepburn expert, but am learning, and I understand the standard version has a rebounding hammer.  I did not check this action before it was disassembled but I am assuming it also has the rebounding hammer.  I say this because it has the same screw, all the other versions have, above the back trigger assembly screw, which on the surface looks to do absolutely nothing.  See the yellow arrow in the picture of the Walker.  I assume this screw has something to do with the rebounding of the main spring, maybe someone can verify this for me.  

Anyway, when I removed this screw it was bent, as seen in the second picture.  I installed this screw and the hammer and found the hammer has definitely hit the screw, the marks line up with the hammer as shown on the last picture.  But, the only way this can happen is with the breech block removed letting the hammer fall past the normal stopping point against the breech block.  This must have happened several time in order to bend this screw this much.
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Reply #104 - Nov 26th, 2024 at 6:30pm
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I'm pretty cautious when machining and take several steps in order to accomplish were I want to end up.  I really don't like scrapping a chunk of steel like this one.  So, here I'm showing the "boring" steps I took to get the bottom of this frame opened up. I'm ready to start machining the 3 radius's that we have discussed.  I ended up ordering a 4 3/4 inch slotting saw wide enough to to do each side in one pass.  That's on its way.  The front radius, the tough one, I'm still contemplating.  I don't have a rotary table that will go vertical...yet.  I'm looking to probably buy one because I have needed one in the past. I really need to rough it out, and then go to the scrapper set up to finish it.

These pictures are shown as the machining progressed, with the last one done to final width and ready to do the radius's. The breech block mortice is still rough in, and will be finished later after the bottom is completed.
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