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Reply #75 - Nov 6th, 2024 at 6:31pm
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bobw wrote on Nov 6th, 2024 at 4:09pm:
LRF wrote on Nov 6th, 2024 at 1:20pm:
bobw wrote on Nov 6th, 2024 at 12:06pm:
....  Yes, please send me the video,.....

I emailed it tell me if you got it.



Yes, got it Lynn.  Haven’t had a chance to look at it yet. Thanks


Lynn, I have now looked at the video and there’s a probability that this is what I will try if, like you say, I can get it roughed out first.

Thanks to you, and everyone, that have, and will, comment on this project.  I have 4 screws and a lever spring to get on paper yet….then the interesting stuff can start happening.
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Reply #76 - Nov 6th, 2024 at 7:12pm
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Another note on this gun is the tang screw that attaches the stock.  I don’t know but maybe all Hepburns use the same style attaching screw.   

There is only one screw and it is tapered. Looks to be a #4 taper or very close to it.   First one I have ran into like this.
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Reply #77 - Nov 6th, 2024 at 7:23pm
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LRF, I really like that cutter! Would you make it just for that diameter cut? I would! It could be used to cut both sides with a little dinking!
  
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Reply #78 - Nov 6th, 2024 at 10:03pm
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Using the same concept as the 3D drawing (video), I wonder if the receiver could be fixed to a vertical rotary table, with the scraper locked into place  in the spindle.  The mill knee could be used to feed the receiver into the scraper, then the rotary table could be used to rotate the receiver to make the radius cut.
  
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Reply #79 - Nov 6th, 2024 at 10:20pm
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AJ now that is using your thinking ability.I will have to try that.
  
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Reply #80 - Nov 6th, 2024 at 10:50pm
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Of course you can also have a copy of the 3D model if you want. I do not know if you have CAD software. I use Fusion360 but can export as a STEP model also.
  
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Reply #81 - Nov 7th, 2024 at 4:25am
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From the bottom angle picture, the internal radius pieces almost look like they are made separately from the action housing and then installed…..

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Reply #82 - Nov 7th, 2024 at 5:56am
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AJ wrote on Nov 6th, 2024 at 10:03pm:
Using the same concept as the 3D drawing (video), I wonder if the receiver could be fixed to a vertical rotary table, with the scraper locked into place  in the spindle.  The mill knee could be used to feed the receiver into the scraper, then the rotary table could be used to rotate the receiver to make the radius cut. 

Yes I think that would work. It would be slow and tedious but save having to make alot of special tooling, other than the  cutter itself. I would make the cutter so it only scraped one radius at a time so as to reduce force needed. Cranking that rotary table handle may get old really fast. Smiley Rigidity of the cutter sticking out of the quill could be concerning. Make it as beefy as possible and consider making the actual cutting edge using a carbide tool insert. 2 things with that, if the scrapper dulls just replace the insert and saves on a rather large piece of high speed steel being needed for the cutter. But lots of possibility in this concept.
Another challenge would be constructing the mounting of the action body onto the rotary table such that it is aligned and that the center of the 1 1/8" matches perfectly with the center of rotation of the rotary table. Not impossible but not easy either.

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Reply #83 - Nov 7th, 2024 at 10:42am
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LRF wrote on Nov 6th, 2024 at 10:50pm:
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Of course you can also have a copy of the 3D model if you want. I do not know if you have CAD software. I use Fusion360 but can export as a STEP model also.


Thanks Lynn but the modeling won’t do me much good, I don’t have CAD software.  Wouldn’t mind learning it but have tried online programs and find the process really boring.  I would do much better, at least in getting the basics, in a physical classroom setting.   

Nothing around here that has this training though.  Been a few years since I tried online so maybe I should give it another chance.   

Anyone have a good experience/advice online and can recommend a software brand?
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Reply #84 - Nov 7th, 2024 at 10:43am
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TomKlinger wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 4:25am:
From the bottom angle picture, the internal radius pieces almost look like they are made separately from the action housing and then installed…..

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Tom, the frame is all one piece.
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Reply #85 - Nov 7th, 2024 at 11:16am
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LRF wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 5:56am:
AJ wrote on Nov 6th, 2024 at 10:03pm:
Using the same concept as the 3D drawing (video), I wonder if the receiver could be fixed to a vertical rotary table, with the scraper locked into place  in the spindle.  The mill knee could be used to feed the receiver into the scraper, then the rotary table could be used to rotate the receiver to make the radius cut. 

Yes I think that would work. It would be slow and tedious but save having to make alot of special tooling, other than the  cutter itself. I would make the cutter so it only scraped one radius at a time so as to reduce force needed. Cranking that rotary table handle may get old really fast. Smiley Rigidity of the cutter sticking out of the quill could be concerning. Make it as beefy as possible and consider making the actual cutting edge using a carbide tool insert. 2 things with that, if the scrapper dulls just replace the insert and saves on a rather large piece of high speed steel being needed for the cutter. But lots of possibility in this concept.
Another challenge would be constructing the mounting of the action body onto the rotary table such that it is aligned and that the center of the 1 1/8" matches perfectly with the center of rotation of the rotary table. Not impossible but not easy either.



I think the key to using this method is removing the bulk of the metal using a different method.  Lynn, you had also mentioned this earlier.   

I do like the rotary table thinking, even though it would be very tedious.  I would be using the rotary table, with an end mill, to remove the excess metal so the frame would already be on the table.  I think the biggest challenge using the table will be clearance past the table for the mill ram and still keeping everything rigid. 

As far as setup goes, my thoughts are to doing this against the outside of the frame and then moving it to the inside.  I don’t think it would be to tough this way once once the numbers are found.

Funny, though these conversations, how thinking has changes in how to do this.
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Reply #86 - Nov 7th, 2024 at 1:28pm
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Bob ,
     I think you got enough of us dimbulbs that it made a bright light on this problem. Brainstorming works. I have a receiver Casting that I will try this on. But as you say, I will rough out as much as possible with a long end mill. Before using the rotary table set up. I will say it again I really like your builds  you take the time to share with the rest of us.
  
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Reply #87 - Nov 8th, 2024 at 12:15am
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I have used carbide inserts for broaching with a mill.  Warning: retract the cutter away from the work before backing it up or it will chip badly.  Other than that, they work great.
  
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Reply #88 - Nov 8th, 2024 at 6:16am
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Bob stated earlier:
"I think the key to using this method* is removing the bulk of the metal using a different method..... " 
*(current rotary scraping idea)

I think I would do this with an end mill (could be at first a diameter of 1/2" or a little larger even, for rigidity, then again using a small diameter to refine the shape) and make a series of calculated X-Z moves such that the cutter cuts/inscribes a series of stairstep cuts removing the bulk of the material. Trying to swing in the radius shape on a vertical rotary table would require a very long, small diameter end mill. Although the number of required steps would be quite a lot the math of the moves could be generated on an Excel spreadsheet quite easily, there by easing the tedium of those calculation and greatly reducing math errors. (been there done that Smiley ) Once the major material is gone the scraper either on a dedicated swing tool as I earlier suggested, or the AJ method using a vertical mounted rotary table, would have half a chance of working.  OR burn it in on the EDM and be done with it Smiley  
  
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Reply #89 - Nov 15th, 2024 at 9:52am
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Hi Bob,I’ve been following this thread and it sure is a head scratcher. I like the idea for doing everything ‘in house’ but this is one scenario that might be best served by going outside and have it EDM’ed, no harm no foul. If you want to try it yourself AJ and LRF with there carbide insert using the vertical RT I think may be your best bet. Light cuts with a positive rake carbide insert with AJ’s warning may just do the job and leave a nice finish. I’m sure you will set up some ‘proof of concept’ parts first. What ever way you go I’m sure it will be first class work.
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