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Reply #60 - Nov 4th, 2024 at 8:46pm
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Well it works, but not easily. I had to re-sharpen four times. Chipped the corner a couple of times getting too ambitious on the cut. Will relieve it a bit more to make the end of the radius smoother. Maybe a bit more foot on the bottom. Anyway, I’ll practice some more before I tackle my receiver.
  
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Reply #61 - Nov 5th, 2024 at 9:33am
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here you guys are talking about chiseling out arcs in the reciever with a look to function. C'mon, I can't even figure out how to scratch the lines in there, far less remove unneeded material. 
Y'all are on a plane far above me. And I really enjoy seeing all this. Thanks. Smiley
  
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Reply #62 - Nov 5th, 2024 at 11:02am
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Rodney, thanks for taking the time and trying this.  It looks like the chiseling went well until you started into the bottom side of the cut.  Having the clearance to move the tool will be important.  I can’t see the heel in the pictures, but think it should be very short, not long like one might think, giving the tool more leverage to help maintaining the correct depth.  This may also help with not chipping the tool.  Also short, lighter strikes with the hammer so the tool moves very small amounts.

This radius is right at .150 wide and while I have not measured the length I think its about 1.250 long with the additional bottom section being straight at .250 more.

I’m still in the drawing stage of this project so I’m not thinking real hard about machining other than have the proper measurement when I do start moving metal.

That being said, and thinking about this problem radius, I have been thinking about a hardened insert set into the frame, held in place with the hammer screw and one other.  Using it as my guide in roughing out this radius, and then fine tuning it with light chisel cuts and a riffler type files that will follow the curve of the insert.  This would also help maintain consistency between the two sides.
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Reply #63 - Nov 5th, 2024 at 1:14pm
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Bob very clever idea of using a hardened guide. Why did I not think of it. L O L yes and I think I do need to shorten up the heel  the last part of the radius what is giving me trouble. What I did there was one eight inch deep.
  
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Reply #64 - Nov 5th, 2024 at 10:47pm
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I've cut similar arc cuts with the mill; I simply freehand in the cut as close as I can with an end mill, and then finalize by mounting a grinding stone, carefully dressing it square and true, and grind to the line.  I think I can freehand mill more precisely than I could chisel.
  
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Reply #65 - Nov 6th, 2024 at 12:05am
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ssdave wrote on Nov 5th, 2024 at 10:47pm:
I've cut similar arc cuts with the mill; I simply freehand in the cut as close as I can with an end mill, and then finalize by mounting a grinding stone, carefully dressing it square and true, and grind to the line.  I think I can freehand mill more precisely than I could chisel.


Dave, you are right about this radius if it was out where access was easy.  And I believe a mill may still work, using a rotary table and a long end mill, to at least rough out the arc.   

Here’s a refresher on the radius and where it is, along with the obstacles.

The front radius, marked in red, is where the problem is.  The portion of the frame that the barrel threads into is an obstacle to full access, also in red in both pictures.
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Reply #66 - Nov 6th, 2024 at 1:40am
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I see the difficulty, Bob.  I had looked at Rodney's pictures, not your drawing.  No easy way to get at that.  

Only production method I could think of would be a small radius tip on a 1/2" belt sander held in a vertical mill, and cnc control to swing the arc, after it had been roughed in with an end mill.  The cnc equivalent of your riffler filing after the rough in.  

Might be possible to hold a scraping tool in a mill collet with locked quill/shaft, and swing the receiver with a rotary table to take a thin scraping cut.  then advance the cut using the table feed.  Essentially automate Rodneys chisel cuts.  A boring bar might work for the tool.
  
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Reply #67 - Nov 6th, 2024 at 8:31am
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Bob, I believe you could make a cutter that the depth of cut can be done with the knee of your mill. To simulate I made a 3d model using your drawing for dimensions. The tool is a scraper cutter that pivots and is feed down into the action body by raising the knee. You would put a long handle on the cutter so you could pivot it. The arc appears to be about 61 degrees. Here are a couple pics and a short video if it works.
  
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Reply #68 - Nov 6th, 2024 at 8:33am
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Video is to big sorry. Bob if you want I can email it to you
  
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Reply #69 - Nov 6th, 2024 at 8:38am
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Also, of course the views are section views. The cutter would span the whole width and actually I think it could be built to use carbide inserts as the scraper blade.

Now when reviewing my concept you need to keep in mind that the original's were started as net shape forging and this cutter would only be finishing the the radius surfaces.

Bob if you agree this cutter/scraper would work then in my opinion you can show how Remington did the job, so now go ahead and EDM those surfaces and get on with the build. You get to choose.....and we are waiting to see the results of your craftsmanship.
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Reply #70 - Nov 6th, 2024 at 12:06pm
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Lynn,
One thought I have had on this, from the beginning, is how can one get a rotary cutter down inside the frame, so this can be cut consistently from side to side.  While I have questions, that I’m sure you will answer, this looks to be the answer.  Great idea!  Yes, please send me the video, I think you have my email.  If not, it’s in my profile. While I’m not ready to start machining, we will be talking in order for me to totally understand your thoughts.
Bob
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Reply #71 - Nov 6th, 2024 at 12:56pm
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bobw wrote on Nov 6th, 2024 at 12:06pm:
Lynn,
One thought I have had on this, from the beginning, is how can one get a rotary cutter down inside the frame, so this can be cut consistently from side to side.  While I have questions, that I’m sure will answer, this looks to be the answer.  Get idea.  Yes, please send me the video, I think you have my email.  If not, it’s in my profile. While I’m not ready to start machining, we will be talking in order for me to totally understand your thoughts.
Bob


Bob, if youre using modern methods for machining why not a sinker edm with the arcs cut into the carbon blocks?
  
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Reply #72 - Nov 6th, 2024 at 1:20pm
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bobw wrote on Nov 6th, 2024 at 12:06pm:
....  Yes, please send me the video,.....

I emailed it tell me if you got it.
  
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Reply #73 - Nov 6th, 2024 at 4:09pm
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LRF wrote on Nov 6th, 2024 at 1:20pm:
bobw wrote on Nov 6th, 2024 at 12:06pm:
....  Yes, please send me the video,.....

I emailed it tell me if you got it.



Yes, got it Lynn.  Haven’t had a chance to look at it yet. Thanks
  

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Reply #74 - Nov 6th, 2024 at 6:24pm
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steel-pounder wrote on Nov 6th, 2024 at 12:56pm:
bobw wrote on Nov 6th, 2024 at 12:06pm:
Lynn,
One thought I have had on this, from the beginning, is how can one get a rotary cutter down inside the frame, so this can be cut consistently from side to side.  While I have questions, that I’m sure will answer, this looks to be the answer.  Get idea.  Yes, please send me the video, I think you have my email.  If not, it’s in my profile. While I’m not ready to start machining, we will be talking in order for me to totally understand your thoughts.
Bob


Bob, if youre using modern methods for machining why not a sinker edm with the arcs cut into the carbon blocks?


From the beginning I figured EDM would be an option.  But I do like to see if I can do all the work in my shop.  So I will probably give Lynn’s idea a shot before going that route.  Thanks.
Bob
  

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