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Reply #420 - Sep 16th, 2025 at 8:27pm
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Thanks Bob, for the detailed explanations - especially the way that you lay out the lines and the reasons for.  It has inspired me to get back to making sawdust!

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Reply #421 - Sep 18th, 2025 at 6:39pm
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Go for it Joe!

I've been fighting the fit of the stock, to the frame, with the through screw.  The screw goes through the top tang and turns into a blind hole in the lower tang.  When I would tighten the screw, the stock would pull away from the frame and leave a very small gap.  I have got it figured out now, there were several things happening.

So on with the wood shaping.

These pictures are all after todays work.  Nothing really to say other than the last two show the final rough finish.  I will now start really getting down to the point where sand paper will be used.  The wood removed, from this point on, will be with a fine rasp, or even a fine metal file, and be a very small amount while bringing it to its final shape.
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Reply #422 - Sep 18th, 2025 at 7:24pm
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Beautiful wood!  Beautiful work!  Go, Bob!

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Reply #423 - Sep 18th, 2025 at 9:00pm
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The cheek piece side is gorgeous. Can't wait to see it with some finish on it.



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Reply #424 - Sep 19th, 2025 at 9:30am
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jhm wrote on Sep 18th, 2025 at 9:00pm:
The cheek piece side is gorgeous. Can't wait to see it with some finish on it.



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I'd rather feel it against my face as I sight it on a target. OK, I guess I'd like looking at it too. It's gorgeous. Thanks for the trip Bob, always wonderful posts of your terrific projects. Smiley
  
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Reply #425 - Sep 20th, 2025 at 6:01pm
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This wood is nice, been looking for a piece like this for a long time.  Like this piece, I wanted it to flow through the wrist area  and then turn to this smoky look.  Just wish it turned to smoke a little lower.  Reminds of the smoke coming off the front end of my Dad's cigarettes.   

I guess wanting a better piece gives me a good reason to keep looking. Smiley
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Reply #426 - Sep 20th, 2025 at 6:30pm
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Been picking away at this the last couple days.

This first picture is the roughed out grip bottom.  I put a slight radius on the bottom of the grip from center out to the edge on each side.  It does not follow the original curves, but tapers going back.  This can be seen in the picture.

Then once I'm done with the finer rasp work I start sanding.  In this stocks case, I am starting with 80 grit paper on the back areas, which it pretty course but I do some fine shaping with it.  In order to be sure the off or right side is straight, without high and low spots, I use a long board with sand paper attached.  You can see the board in this second picture.  So I know I have covered the complete side I scribble a pencil across the whole side and then start sanding.  You can see the pencil marks at the stock bottom and then there is a low spot showing just behind the center point in the upper half.  These low spots get worked around until the pencil marks are gone.

The back half of the stock was sanded using 80 paper but on the front grip area I used 120 to start.  80 is too aggressive for working a small area and along the metal tangs.  You can see in this third picture how the grip area is softening up in some areas and getting more crisp in others.

This last 2 pictures are how the work ended today.  I know there appears to be very small changes from the prior pictures, but there is a big difference when working through the steps and seeing the actual stock. 
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Reply #427 - Sep 20th, 2025 at 6:40pm
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I've always liked that rounded treatment done to the bottom of the grip on rifles Bob. Very classy touch.
  

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Reply #428 - Sep 20th, 2025 at 6:47pm
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Here’s a good reason to take pictures, besides for posting in this forum.  As I’ve said before, I see error when studying these pictures.

I noticed a problem with the cheek rest shape.  The red line shows the back at the top is slightly off.  Once I noticed it in the picture, I could see it on the stock.  But, in this case, even without the pictures I would have eventually seen the problem.  It so obvious!   
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Reply #429 - Sep 20th, 2025 at 7:12pm
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This picture is a little busy but bare with me while I explain.

These arrows and letters are showing the changes I made after the initial shaping.  Pretty hard to tell now, so you’ll just have to take my word for it.  Wink

A.  I raised the bottom of the stock about 3/16 inch narrowing this area.   

AA.  Also raised the toe slightly and slightly straightened the bottom line going forward from here.

B.  Changed the angled of the nose of the comb.

C. and E. Moved the front of the cheek rest back and up, give more room for checkering.

D.  Raised the grip bottom up at the rear to match the change made at A.  Also raised the front slightly more than the rear  flattening the angle of the grip bottom.

F. Raised the lower cheek rest line about as much as the lower stock line was raised.

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Reply #430 - Sep 20th, 2025 at 9:45pm
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Most are very subtle individual changes, Bob, but the overall effect is clearly better.  You have uncommon senses of line and proportion.

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Reply #431 - Sep 20th, 2025 at 10:36pm
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Thanks Bill.

Hope I’m not boring everyone on these changes but here is a couple pictures that better show the change differences.

The red line isn’t in exactly the same position on both photos but it gives you the idea. 

#1 is 9 days before #2.

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Reply #432 - Sep 20th, 2025 at 11:44pm
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Bob, you have an amazing design talent.  Your stock proportioning is truly exceptional.

Fabulous stock.
  
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Reply #433 - Sep 21st, 2025 at 7:46am
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Bobw, thank you for pointing out the subtleties in the shaping of the stocks you make.

When I do "stockmaking," (I use the term with my usual devil-may-care abandon) I generally get the wood to a point where the shaping is close to what seems to me to be optimal, but "off" in a way I can't identify.  I'm generally afraid to go any further, because I can't exactly see where the problem is, and think that anything I might do would take off wood that I can't afford to lose.

At that point, I generally say to myself, "Well, from six feet away, it looks like a stock; it's functional at least, and since I've been at this for months, I'd sure like to shoot the rifle before I'm too old and decrepit to do so."  So I smooth it down and apply the finish.

Your tutorials are great, and anything you can bring up about developing that "eye" for proper proportions is golden.  My Howe gunsmithing book says that proper stock shaping is simply a matter of going over and over it, in smaller and subtler increments, using one's eyes, one's experience, and one's sense of proportions to achieve the final result.  Alvin Linden, on the other hand, thought stock shaping was a matter of working down to lines and precision measurements.  I remember him writing something like, "Looks like we're almost down to that final shape and we haven't used any of this 'trained eyeball' stuff yet to do so!"

You might think of combining these articles into a book; "The Single-Shot Gunsmith" or some such.  I'd buy a copy for sure.
  
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Reply #434 - Sep 21st, 2025 at 3:05pm
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Bob,

You should be commended for your ability to stock a Hepburn with style. The design of the action, with the grip area being so low in relation to the centerline of the bore, really complicates the creation of a classic style of stock.  Honestly, the original Hepburn stock almost makes me cringe, as the lines  break all the rules of what a classic stock should look like (although the stock might be very functional).

It looks like part of your magic involves a tall butt plate to set up a classic toe line, and a functional comb line.  My guess is that planning this all out took a lot more effort than stocking something like a Winchester 1885 or Remington rolling block.

Well done!
  
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