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Reply #375 - Aug 2nd, 2025 at 5:54pm
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TomKlinger wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 1:52pm:
Bobw,
I’m guessing but I think the darkest of the four forearm blanks will be the winner!


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That does look good Tom.  That one looks a bit short (haven’t measured any of them) so it will depend on what length I want for the forearm
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Reply #376 - Aug 2nd, 2025 at 6:03pm
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jhm wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 12:08pm:
Yea Mr bobw you warned me. I hope it is all in the past now. I agree the folks here a a bit more civil and will bend over backwards to help you. I am testament to that. That is some beautiful wood. I would be scared witless to put a chisel into that. I guess when you know what you are doing it is just another stock. Wish I had the skills to do it even just for myself.




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I don’t think about what this wood costs anymore and it is expensive.  Just price a good piece of english walnut, it can make the barrel you put on you Hepburn look cheap.  Like you say, “it’s just another piece of wood”.  I use to break out in sweat thinking about one wrong chop and it’s firewood.  One thing about doing stock work is that you WILL make a mistake,  or the wood won’t cooperate and it chips out unexpectedly.  You learn how to fix problems pretty quickly.
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Reply #377 - Aug 2nd, 2025 at 6:19pm
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marlinguy wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 11:55am:
Is that a powder you use to coat the tangs for checking the inletting Bob? Or what are you using?


Vall, that’s Jerrows Inletting Black.  I really like the stuff but unfortunately it has been discontinued.  It goes along way but I’m down to about a 1.4 jar of it and jars are really small, half ounce.   

So, I’m going have to find a replacement.  I’ve tried about everything out there, lamp soot, lipstick, vaseline with blue chalk in it, black permanent markers, and more that I can’t even remember, but like this stuff the best.  I think I will try oil based artist black paint when this is gone.  I’m thinking it will be very close to this in texture and ease of use.  The Jerrows goes on very thin and doesn’t build up like some of the other stuff I’ve tried.  I just hope the paint doesn’t dry to quickly or a buildup will take place and will require a complete removal at times while inletting.
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Reply #378 - Aug 2nd, 2025 at 6:38pm
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Continuing the top tang inletting.

In this first picture it appears to be fitted up pretty good, but, it is not.  I have to get to this point in order to find where the wood extension for inside the frame is located.

This second picture shows where this extension is.  The black is where the action frame is contacting the wood and this is the wood that needs to be removed.  I've already removed some wood on the right side.

The next 2 pictures shows this wood removal and the results.  This extension is important for the stability of the wood to the action frame.  The tangs, and their inlets alone, are not enough support by themselves in my opinion.

The fourth picture is why I tell people that work like this isn't always pretty under the hood. Cheesy
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Reply #379 - Aug 2nd, 2025 at 6:53pm
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This first picture shows that I'm really close to being done.

The next 2 are where I finished today.  Basically done, but I will double check everything when I next look at it, which will be Monday.  The fit appears to be fairly nice for right now.

The top tang is much easier to inlet than the lower, especially with it being a pistol grip stock.  I had 3 1/2 hours on it today and it's probably done.  So this, plus yesterdays time, is what I have in the top tang inlet and fit up to the frame. 

Even though I have complete competence in this inlet and fit to the frame, I will still bed the tang and head of the stock to the action frame.  This seals the grain of the wood and will give the action 100% support.
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Reply #380 - Aug 2nd, 2025 at 7:12pm
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Bob, I'm running out of inletting black also, I have started adding prussian blue to it, and stirring it in, after cutting it with a bit of naptha.  I like the way it works.  A bit irritating to add in the naptha each time, but it works.
  
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Reply #381 - Aug 2nd, 2025 at 8:20pm
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I have found that a dry erase marker works well for course work saving the Jarrow's for the fine details.
  
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Reply #382 - Aug 2nd, 2025 at 9:46pm
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I use the cheap black lipstick that gets sold every year around Halloween.  A tooth brush swipe over the cheap lipstick, then brush on the metal works great.  The cheaper the lipstick the better it works.  If I am using dark color wood, then cheap pink lipstick shows up better.
  
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Reply #383 - Aug 2nd, 2025 at 10:47pm
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I use my daughter's and wife's hand me down lipstick. Daughter looked at me real funny first time I asked her can I borrow some of your lipstick...



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Reply #384 - Aug 3rd, 2025 at 12:28am
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I've tried black marker pens to color the metal as inletting ink. I also bought some calligraphy ink and brushed it on the tangs, which works better than felt pens and doesn't dry as quickly. That's what I'm using now.
  

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Reply #385 - Aug 3rd, 2025 at 4:40am
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bobw wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 5:50pm:

I should have said “straight forward”.
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Except for those occasional curves  as I am sure you know and have experienced.  LOL Smiley Looking good Bob
  
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Reply #386 - Aug 6th, 2025 at 9:13pm
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Got going on inletting the lower frame and tang this week.  Here are a few pictures as it progressed.

The first is how things looked before starting.

In the second, I have lowered the section of wood, at the front, into the frame to its approximate final depth.

Third photo, I started by inserting the front screw and rotating the frame down against the wood.  By doing this, the frame and tang were aligned with the main frame, and I got an idea where the inlet actually was, before getting it too deep.  Once I had the full outline, I went ahead and chopped it deeper staying inside the final lines and just above the final depth.

In the fourth picture, the frame is close to being in place.  While it seems an easy way to inlet this, by using the front screw to help positioning the frame, it's not a good idea in my opinion to do this inlet that way.  It's better to get the inlet in the wood, roughly opened up, and then working the frame straight back into the wood until the screws all line up and the main and this frame line up at the rear.  Anytime I have tried rotating a part into an inlet, I end up with gaps on the sides and where there is a rear surface, like the tang end and the curve surface just behind the the main frame.

In the last picture the frame and tang are in place.
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Reply #387 - Aug 7th, 2025 at 10:10am
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Beautiful work Bob! Of course that's what we expect now seeing your past builds. Smiley
  

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Reply #388 - Aug 7th, 2025 at 5:22pm
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With the action frame now fitted to the wood it's time to start on the buttplate.

Photo 1, Looking at the buttplate as it was received, it's not very well defined and is mis-shaped from the casting process.  The point, or what I call widows peak, is not very nice looking, it's blunt and not very well shaped, nor is the edge transitioning into the lower part of the plate smoothly.
It would be tough to fit to the wood in this condition.

In the second picture which is showing the original edge profile, it's not flowing very well from top to bottom, and as noted by the arrows, has a couple humps and a dip.

The last three pictures show the reworked plate.  The point is now better defined.  Also, the line flowing from the widows peak and down through the bottom of the plate, now has a smooth flow.  It's also a crisp line, with a sharp edge, that will look good against the wood once fitted.  

As many know, and as I've said in the past, all this shaping is done by eye, nothing is measured.  So there might be something slightly off, but it is hand shaped and not done by machines.

Next will be getting it attached to the wood.
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Reply #389 - Aug 13th, 2025 at 11:59am
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Getting to the actual fitting of the buttplate.

This first picture is the general stock design. The longer buttplate, as shown at #3, is the version I am using.

The first thing I do, when getting the buttplate attached, is get the comb line correct for drop, at both the heel and nose, on the wood blank.  I leave this line slightly high, a little more than 1/16 inch for final finishing to size later.

I also cut the stock to length of pull and the general shape of the buttplate to be installed.

Then the center line for the stock, from front to rear, is found.  This line aligns from the action frame center line through to the buttplate center as shown in picture 2.  This line is also found on the bottom and then connected to each other at the butt end of the stock. 

In this 3rd photo, I have chopped in the start of the widows peak and also outlined the lower end of the buttplate.  The plate must be kept centered and located to the same place each time it is removed and replaced, while fitting, in order to get a good fit.

This last picture is of the progress being made in the fitting.  I've never considered myself being that great at inletting or fitting parts to wood but luckily just get by.  I see pictures of others inletting, with perfect smooth beautiful inlets, and am always envious of them!  I'd be kicked out of a British shop! Smiley
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