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Reply #330 - Jun 23rd, 2025 at 9:27pm
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calledflyer wrote on Jun 22nd, 2025 at 9:50am:
I like the time you devote to decision making- but too, the effort made to tell and show us how you arrive at those decisions. 
And, that chunk of wood is so ugly that if you send it to me, I'll burn it for you just to save the work you could be expending on finishing up with some other slab. I'll even pay the freight to my 'furnace'.



I know you are joking but this wood is closer to fire wood than you might think!  Cry

This first picture show a knot I was concerned about, so I stayed behind it, hoping it doesn’t angle back.

This second picture showing a knot that did not concern me at all….!

Third picture, Really surprised me to see this when I removed the wood for inletting the top tang.

In this last picture I took a rasp and cut down into the knot just to see where it was headed and, what it was doing deeper inside.

While it looks to be getting some more open in the fourth picture, it also seems more solid than where it is in the third   More like a bark inclusion now I guess.

My options are limited I think.
1. Keep the head of the stock to the far side and angle it toward the other side, back to the buttplate.  Hoping it will work out as I work the stock profile out of the wood.

2. I think I can flip the pattern and still get this wood to work but, this will change the grain flow and, I think, lose some figure.

3. Toast some marshmallows! Grin

The fun of working with wood!
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Reply #331 - Jun 23rd, 2025 at 11:31pm
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Oh that's a heart breaker. That is why I stick with metal. There are no knots in metal... Never was much good with wood. I don't have the patience and certainly not the skill. Hope it works out for you. That looks like a pricey piece of wood.




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Reply #332 - Jun 24th, 2025 at 9:00am
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Damn! Yes, I was poking fun then. Now, I feel like I've put the hex on that chunk of wood. 
It just shows that imports from all over the world, not just China, are going to pot. Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #333 - Jun 24th, 2025 at 11:46am
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Bob, make yourself a cutout with the center open instead of solid that you would normally have for your stock. Kind of a reversed pattern. I hope that makes sense. Then you can move it around anywhere on your blank and see exactly where the best spot would be to lay out your stock.
  
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Reply #334 - Jun 24th, 2025 at 12:16pm
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Beautiful wood. Still concerned about the pistol grip, but sure you can make it work.
Knot looks pretty solid. Little or no loss of strength.
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Reply #335 - Jun 24th, 2025 at 3:27pm
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Looks like maybe if you drop the wrist as low as possible in that blank you might eliminate the knot, and grain will run straight through the stock, not down slightly as it does now. Might even make the stock stronger. Looks like the knot goes higher towards the left side too?
  

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Reply #336 - Jun 24th, 2025 at 6:27pm
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marlinguy wrote on Jun 24th, 2025 at 3:27pm:
Looks like maybe if you drop the wrist as low as possible in that blank you might eliminate the knot, and grain will run straight through the stock, not down slightly as it does now. Might even make the stock stronger. Looks like the knot goes higher towards the left side too?


This is what I’m looking at now, but it will need to go way down.  And the grain flow would be better.  Originally I was trying to balance the wrist grain and capturing the nicer grain behind it and felt the flow through the wrist was acceptable.  This afternoon I stuck a drill bit into the lower larger hole and it’s an inch deep.  I think I’m going lower and to the left side as far as I dare.  This is one of those decisions I sleep on for a few days before making a decision.   
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Reply #337 - Jun 24th, 2025 at 6:52pm
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Always my worst fear when I buy a stock blank. Will it have some hidden defect that's going to jump out at me once the shaping begins. At least you found it before you got into it too far and there's no going back.
  

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Reply #338 - Jun 25th, 2025 at 5:38am
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Don't know much about the who, what, where, of the purchase of the blank but if from a reputable dealer they may replace the blank with one not having such unseen internal flaws.
  
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Reply #339 - Jun 25th, 2025 at 9:16pm
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Lynn, I have contacted the seller but I would be surprised if anything come out of it.

I moved the head to as low as I could go but, no luck.  The problem is still there.

The first picture shows both levels.  The lower being 1 1/2 inches below the first.  And I now know it goes clear through because there was a small spot on the bottom.  Another spot I would not have been worried about, except for now in hind sight.

The second picture shows the track through the wood.  The angled lines are the knot and the vertical are representing the size of the stock head.

I might be able to use it for a #4 rolling block project I have on my list.

I’m already on the hunt for a different piece of wood for the Hepburn.
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Reply #340 - Jun 29th, 2025 at 11:12pm
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I would likely fill that 'flaw' with black epoxy and be completely happy! I have learned to not expect perfection in the quest for beauty.
  
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Reply #341 - Jun 30th, 2025 at 8:16am
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Bob,
     It looks like you have a fair chance of having the tang
inletting clean up most of the flaw, at least on top of the wrist area.  I would at least start and see where the rough inletting works out.  I believe any flaws would be minor and dark brown or black epoxy would nicely fill in what is left.
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Reply #342 - Jun 30th, 2025 at 11:00am
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Bob,

If you plan to checker the stock, it might completely hide any fill that may not be under the tang.  I also think I would use some of the scrap pieces to see what fill method works best.  Since the flaw is small you have several options including CA glue, epoxy, and a mix of wood glue and sawdust.  I expect that it will look great whatever method you use!
  
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Reply #343 - Jun 30th, 2025 at 1:49pm
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I like your idea of saving this stock for another project. Your Walker Hepburn is such a spectacular firearm I think the wood should be equally great.
  

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Reply #344 - Jun 30th, 2025 at 6:35pm
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Thanks for all the comments.

This picture may give you a different perspective on using this wood on this gun. This is the rough size and shape of the wrist at the defect.  The defect get larger, and it does go clear through as shown.  As you can see there isn’t much solid wood on the upper right. 

Since there is, at least in my mind, a question of the integrity of the wood at the point of the defect, I would never take a chance using it.  While not a super recoiling rifle, it is still substantial as a 40-70SS.

I’m not unfamiliar with bad spots in wood and needing to be fixed.  Out of 5 guns I’ve stock using thin shelled walnut, 3 have had defects.  It’s where and the length of this defect that I have a problem with.   The others all had the defect well behind the wrist.  
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