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Reply #240 - Mar 15th, 2025 at 11:44am
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Oliver 300 HD tool grinder.  I bought two of them from an Eaton factory being shut down here in town.  I bought both so I got all the tooling in a full steel 4 by 4 pallet.  Sorted the tooling and sold the second machine with tooling I didn’t need to a college that taught tool and die.  The two machines are shown in this picture.  The one in front is the the one I kept.  It had been completely refurbished by Oliver just a few years before I got it and had not been used much afterwards.
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Reply #241 - Mar 15th, 2025 at 12:59pm
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thanks Bob never seen one looks like a nice machine
  
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Reply #242 - Mar 15th, 2025 at 7:50pm
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bobw wrote on Mar 14th, 2025 at 7:18pm:
steel-pounder wrote on Mar 14th, 2025 at 7:09pm:
hey Bob, thanks for the explanation as I have to do this soon but curious why you didnt use the taper attachment to do this?



The taper attachment isn’t long enough.  Even if it was long enough, I find using the tail stock is much easier to setup.  I put an indicator on the live center and measure how much I move it.  Then use the same number to move it back.  By doing this I’m usually right back to a straight cut with no taper when done.
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thank you for the explanation. I had no clue that a taper attachment had a length limit. always though they went full length of the bed.
  
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Reply #243 - Mar 15th, 2025 at 9:54pm
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Bob, 
A couple things we have in common, your shop has "goat trails" also... Mine are usually filled with chips though, but I noticed that flat surfaces are a precious commodity, I try not to have many permanent ones, they generally consist of a 2' square plywood sitting on a 30 gallon barrel.  That gets cleaned off frequently and the barrels are used to haul chips to the dumpster... You can tell if we've had much winter, the dumpster is full, about 2000# of shavings and most of the barrels are full... Usually a good dozen of them... A trip to the scrap yard is due...  Smiley
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Reply #244 - Mar 16th, 2025 at 7:09am
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Being able to grind precision special cutters and tooling is always a difficulty for the average home machine shop. And over time I have wondered at times what you had and used to grind some of your nice tools and cutters you have shown. Your Oliver looks like a nice to have piece of kit when that special shaped tool is required. Great find!
  
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Reply #245 - Mar 16th, 2025 at 11:36am
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GT wrote on Mar 15th, 2025 at 9:54pm:
Bob, 
A couple things we have in common, your shop has "goat trails" also... Mine are usually filled with chips though, but I noticed that flat surfaces are a precious commodity, I try not to have many permanent ones, they generally consist of a 2' square plywood sitting on a 30 gallon barrel.  That gets cleaned off frequently and the barrels are used to haul chips to the dumpster... You can tell if we've had much winter, the dumpster is full, about 2000# of shavings and most of the barrels are full... Usually a good dozen of them... A trip to the scrap yard is due...  Smiley
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Goat trail!  That’s funny Greg.  These pictures were from around 3 years ago, looking at the projects.  The flat surfaces still look the same….just different stuff!
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Reply #246 - Mar 16th, 2025 at 11:47am
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LRF wrote on Mar 16th, 2025 at 7:09am:
Being able to grind precision special cutters and tooling is always a difficulty for the average home machine shop. And over time I have wondered at times what you had and used to grind some of your nice tools and cutters you have shown. Your Oliver looks like a nice to have piece of kit when that special shaped tool is required. Great find!


Lynn,
I only know enough to be dangerous with it and only use it for a very small percentage of what it is capable of.  

As anyone knows who has done it, the machine is the cheapest part of setting up a shop.  The tooling is what gets expensive.  As I said before I bought both machines so I had control of all the tooling for them.  Here’s a couple pictures of some of that tooling.
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Reply #247 - Mar 16th, 2025 at 3:44pm
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Great minds think alike Bob!
I brought home a B&S 10N T&C grinder last year with all the accessories ... currently in storage a little longer. Will be nice to have it setup and operational.
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Reply #248 - Mar 17th, 2025 at 5:44am
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bobw wrote on Mar 16th, 2025 at 11:47am:

Lynn,
I only know enough to be dangerous with it

I am pretty sure I won't know where the 'ON' switch is anymore.
  
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Reply #249 - Mar 17th, 2025 at 11:43am
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idjeffp wrote on Mar 16th, 2025 at 3:44pm:
Great minds think alike Bob!
I brought home a B&S 10N T&C grinder last year with all the accessories ... currently in storage a little longer. Will be nice to have it setup and operational.
Cheers!
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Jeff,
The Brown should work good for you.   
I would liked to have had a Cincinnati #2 but I missed the one the plant had in an earlier sale.
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Reply #250 - Mar 17th, 2025 at 12:23pm
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Back to the gun building.

The barrel now has a new home.  It's not chambered or timed to the action yet and won't be for a few days.  I'll get the firing pin located first, using the bore as a guide, for a hardened sharp pointed tool.

The other thing I do is make sure the breech block is parallel to the breech of the barrel. It should be, but if it's off even slightly, I like to try and correct it.  I do this by simply turning the barrel in against a closed breech block coated with blacking.

Once these things are completed I will fit the extractor, time the barrel and set the head space of the breech block to the barrel face and then chamber it.
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Reply #251 - Mar 17th, 2025 at 7:40pm
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In the previous post I talked about the breech block being parallel to the back face of the barrel.  Here’s a picture of the test I did for that today.  You can see the image of the barrel all the way around, but it is hitting harder at the top and left in this picture, but this is really close to being correct.  I will recheck it and the most I will need to do is stone the top and left side.
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Reply #252 - Mar 23rd, 2025 at 7:25pm
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Here"s a couple more of the breech block as it looks fitted to the barrel.

The first picture is just the blackened face.  I used marker here.

The second picture is the breech face after running the barrel back into it and after some very minor filing to knock off the tight spots. At this point the barrel is less than .010 from the barrels shoulder hitting the face of the frame.  I used a Swiss #4 file which is very fine.  I'm not going any further than what you see here because it is so close and I'm afraid if I go at it any more I might make it worse! Grin

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Reply #253 - Mar 23rd, 2025 at 7:57pm
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One of the things I drag my feet on doing is the firing pin hole in the breech block.  There is probably a better way to do it than the way I have been doing them, but so far this has worked for me.

Today was the day because I had to get it done in order to continue with other items on the list.

Picture 1 shows the layout lines and angle the firing pin runs in the block (red arrow).  Now, if I was Greg, I would be figuring out a way to use a transfer bar and put the firing pin in straight.  While I will experiment some, I don't really have the time on this gun.Smiley

At this point I had already found the center of the bore on the face of the breech block, I explained this earlier.  Then, set in the mill vice, I lined up on the dimple and centered it under the mills spindle.  I have the breech block laid flat at this point, and had already done this once before, but decided to change the setup so I had to redo it.  Second picture.

Third, with the breech block setup for the firing pin angle I again centered the dimple under the center of the mill spindle.  I really only needed to do one directed, x I believe real machinist call it, since the width (y) does not change in relation to the vice fixed jaw.

Fourth picture, here you can see both the breech block, centering tool and my DRO.  The DRO is set at zero.

Last picture, You can see the DRO is now set to .025.  Since this firing pin sets at about a 24 degree angle, the firing pin hole is lowered .025 to compensate for the pin movement at this angle so that it still hits the approximate center of the primer anvil.

I will add that at this point that I have not made the final breech block link.  But, this temporary one has the exact spacing I intent to use on the final link.  But, if the firing pin is off up or down I can still correct it with different link hole spacing.

More in the next post.
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Reply #254 - Mar 23rd, 2025 at 8:14pm
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In this first picture you can see the new lower dimple (the left side in this picture is the bottom of the block) compared to the original centered dimple.  The pointed tool seen here is what I use to center a part under the mill spindle.

Since I have not figured out a way to drill a hole into an angled surface with a standard drill bit, I start with an end mill.  Shown here is a 1/16 inch end mill making a square bottom in the hole so the drill bit will not wander.  Not shown is that I used a center drill to get a nice clean hole started.  A center drill is very stiff, so it does not have a tendency to wander like a conventional drill bit will.

The third picture show a standard drill bit being used.  This is the first drill, which is just slightly bigger that the tip of the center drill so the hole gets started straight.  The hole is now drilled all the way through.  The hole is then finished to its final diameter.

After the hole is to size, the gage pin slides right through showing the angle again.

More coming in the next post.
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