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Oct 16th, 2024 at 12:45pm
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I just purchased my first Ballard rifle.  The lever droops so I am told I need new 
screws to start.  It is a forged action rifle, so where to get new screws for the lever and links?  Oh by the way it is a #6 Schutzen rifle.  Don't get excited it needs some work.
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Reply #1 - Oct 16th, 2024 at 1:47pm
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Sam Simmons in Pocahontas AR will have all the screws you need. He is easy to deal with and reasonably priced. Find him on gunbroker or Ebay. Only thing I noticed is his Ballard lever screws usually need a few thousandths taken off the back of the head so they fit a bit more flush.
  
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Reply #2 - Oct 16th, 2024 at 2:00pm
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Pm me if they don’t work.    I devised a captured-shim idea that worked great without lowering or raising the block/firing pin.    Had to use this method when traditional methods didn’t work and none of the new links or screws fit the bill without moving the firing pin too much.
  

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Reply #3 - Oct 16th, 2024 at 9:02pm
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Yes, most of the time a new lever and link screws will tighten things up and eliminate the droop. But you can also remove the breech block, and use a punch to put punch marks on the rear of the breech block where it fits snug into the action opening. The small raised punch marks will be enough to tighten the receiver to breech tolerances and make it snap up snug.
  

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Reply #4 - Oct 16th, 2024 at 9:51pm
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Do you put the punch marks on the top rear of the block?  My Ballard has a VERY slight droop with new screws 

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Reply #5 - Oct 17th, 2024 at 10:47am
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bpjack wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 9:51pm:
Do you put the punch marks on the top rear of the block?  My Ballard has a VERY slight droop with new screws 

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Yes, at the top rear of the breech block halves where they meet the rear edge of the receiver opening. It raises a little metal and tightens the block against the rear of the barrel.
Ballard rifles have about .003" crush when they're new or setup correctly with a new barrel.
  

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Reply #6 - Oct 17th, 2024 at 3:56pm
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Thanks for the help all.  Any more helpful hints keep them coming.
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Reply #7 - Oct 17th, 2024 at 11:09pm
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So here is a little bedtime story for all you guys who mess with Ballard's. This issue of sloppy Ballard's has been around since the earth's crust cooled. 
  A little over 20 years past, I was working in an establishment a little south of the border, (the Montana border, not that other border). We built from scratch a lot of Ballard's. We also did a lot of facelifts to original rifles. One day the boss, alias SPidGe, was showing me an old but nice one sent in for a sagging lever. He had done the longer link thing and new screws. It just wasn't quite enough. I rolled the thing around, considering all the relevant points and nothing was leaping out at me. So he says to me, "let's go see what Ron (Long) has to say." 
  Ron looked at it, got his little ball peen hammer, tapped a few times on the tail of the blocks to bend the corner down, slapped it together and the slop was gone but not quite enough to "snap".
  Fine, except as we both reminded him, this was a large caliber rifle and that tap, tap works fine on .22's. But it only works for a shot or 3 on big calibers. 
  Ron and Steve got into some kind of discussion and I took another look at the action with the thought, "can we drill and tap a setscrew somehow to put some pressure down on the top of the block (and hide it)?"
  And you know what, that hole is already there, right from the factory.
  The front screw hole for the tang sight. 
  So while those two were hypothetically discussing all the aspects of the problem, I grabbed a screw with the right thread, whacked off the head, slotted it with my hacksaw, stuck it in a cordless drill and spun it against a belt sander to approximate the not quite perpendicular angle the screw would hit the block.
   So I stuck it together, turned the screw in, a little past contact. Ran the lever down, pulled it up and "snap". 
"Here you go", and handed it back to Steve. 
   He got a big grin, Ron grabbed it and worked it a time or two. Then they pulled it down to see what I did, (I wasn't telling them). We all had a big laugh. Steve says, "I s'pose you want the afternoon off to run to the Patent Office?"
  Ron says, "You can't patent that, I've seen that little scuff mark the screw left on the block on another rifle once. I remember wondering what did that?" 
  So I didn't get the afternoon off, but from then on, in that shop, it was known as "the Patent repair" and used as needed.
   And we all lived happily ever-after, well mostly happy.
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Reply #8 - Oct 18th, 2024 at 10:48am
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Never paid enough attention to notice, but are those holes deep enough to do this and still install tang sight screws over the set screw?
  

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Reply #9 - Oct 18th, 2024 at 11:14am
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Hey there Kootne,   I used to live over in Bonners.   Almost neighbors.   Veral Smith was located about half way between.   

Clever solution.   If I can find pictures of my captured shim solutiin I’ll post them.
  

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Reply #10 - Oct 18th, 2024 at 11:52am
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Marlinguy, the action is about 3/8 thick at that point and the hole is drilled and tapped through. So plenty of room for both screws. The modern thread that size is a bit sloppy in the original holes. You can make one to fit with a round adjustable die opened up or just squeeze a modern screw a little in a vise with smooth jaws. It will slightly flatten the threads and oval the cross section. You will want to use a little of the light blue Loctite to keep it in place. 

<<<Dog, yeah, Bonners is close, but their clocks are always off an hour. I can be in Bonners before I left Libby! But they are still neighbors, only thing closer is Troy. 
Show the shim idea, maybe it will be the new "best" thing.
  

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Reply #11 - Oct 18th, 2024 at 12:55pm
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I have plenty of 9-40 screws that are correct for the Ballard tang sight holes, so that's no problem. Going to have to grab one of my plug screws and figure out how to take a little off the slight head they have so they'll go below the surface. That usually results in a screw flying away somewhere and lost for eternity.
  

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Reply #12 - Oct 18th, 2024 at 1:00pm
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How long does the screw have to be?
  
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Reply #13 - Oct 18th, 2024 at 1:04pm
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I doubt it will be the new-best-thing but it worked well on a very troublesome Peterson.    Screws and links hadn’t worked.    I was moving the firing pin off the edge of the .22 shell if I corrected the lock-up.   I’ll have to do three posts since I can’t figure out multiple pictures in a single post.
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Free floating Shim over rear tail of the Breach block on my Peterson Ballard.

Initially the problem was how to a-fix a shim to the face where the breach block pushes downward against the tang.  JB Weld etc, hadn’t proved lasting.   
  

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Reply #14 - Oct 18th, 2024 at 1:06pm
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Eventually I figured if I can shape a stainless shim the way this brass shim is shaped, with perhaps a little longer tail, top & bottom, to allow movement as the block pivots, it will trap the shim so it does not fall down in the action when opened.

This was the first attempt.
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