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patriot Participating Member Offline Posts: 37 Joined: Mar 29^th, 2015	German Schuetzen Conversion to 22 RF Oct 3^rd, 2024 at 8:33pm	Print Post
	Are there any gunsmiths that would reline the barrel and convert or replace the breech-block from CF to 22 RF on a German Schuetzen?


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rgchristensen Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1089 Joined: Jan 2^nd, 2014	Re: German Schuetzen Conversion to 22 RF Reply #1 - Oct 3^rd, 2024 at 9:29pm	Print Post
	Probably the easiest way to do this is to thread the barrel off-center, so that the firing pin will strike the edge of the RF cartridge. This might also be do-able by bushing the barrel shank off-center and thus moving the center-line of the barrel. Probably need to shorten the firing pin a little. You’ll likely need another extractor, also, which will be the harder part of the conversion. CHRIS


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Old_No7 Full Member Offline Posts: 104 Location: Southern Maine Joined: Oct 30^th, 2007	Re: German Schuetzen Conversion to 22 RF Reply #2 - Oct 3^rd, 2024 at 10:03pm	Print Post
	I never did "pull the trigger" on that conversion, but I had researched it some and talked with a couple of very good gunsmiths. I agree with the prior post that off-center and a shaped firing pin is likely the way to go. Old No7

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yamoon Oldtimer Offline NRA Life, ASSRA , GGCA, MCA Posts: 880 Location: Junction City Kansas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2012	Re: German Schuetzen Conversion to 22 RF Reply #3 - Oct 3^rd, 2024 at 10:34pm	Print Post
	If it is original, it would be sacrilege to alter it. PM me a photo, I have a couple of 22s, we might work out a trade. Mike


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FourBird Participating Member Offline Posts: 46 Location: Olympia, WA Joined: Oct 13^th, 2011	Re: German Schuetzen Conversion to 22 RF Reply #4 - Oct 4^th, 2024 at 10:31am	Print Post
	I've had the same idea and pretty much been told the same thing. Luckily, I have a barreled action that I might go ahead and contribute to the cause. Looking for a smith to do it.

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yamoon Oldtimer Offline NRA Life, ASSRA , GGCA, MCA Posts: 880 Location: Junction City Kansas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2012	Re: German Schuetzen Conversion to 22 RF Reply #5 - Oct 4^th, 2024 at 1:17pm	Print Post
	FourBird wrote on Oct 4^th, 2024 at 10:31am: I've had the same idea and pretty much been told the same thing. Luckily, I have a barreled action that I might go ahead and contribute to the cause. Looking for a smith to do it. I would think a barreled action has already lost it’s collectors value. I did a very stupid thing years ago, I destroyed a Stevens 044 1/2 to build a Schuetzen rife, it was a DST rifle, I believe it is called a ladies model. Mike


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John Taylor Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1692 Location: Lewiston, ID Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2006	Re: German Schuetzen Conversion to 22 RF Reply #6 - Oct 4^th, 2024 at 7:06pm	Print Post
	patriot wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2024 at 8:33pm: Are there any gunsmiths that would reline the barrel and convert or replace the breech-block from CF to 22 RF on a German Schuetzen? I would be willing to look at it to see which would be the best way to go. New barrel, liner and or move firing pin. I had one many years back that was in 4MM rim fire. Didn't know about liners back then and sadly traded it off. The stock had a carving of a rams head and the thumb rest was one of the horns. One of the gun magazines had an article about them and showed a picture of a gun that looked like mine and was valued at over $5,000. That was 50 years ago.
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patriot Participating Member Offline Posts: 37 Joined: Mar 29^th, 2015	Re: German Schuetzen Conversion to 22 RF Reply #7 - Oct 4^th, 2024 at 8:37pm	Print Post
	John Taylor wrote on Oct 4^th, 2024 at 7:06pm: patriot wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2024 at 8:33pm: Are there any gunsmiths that would reline the barrel and convert or replace the breech-block from CF to 22 RF on a German Schuetzen? I had one many years back that was in 4MM rim fire. John, Would the 4mm breech-block and firing pin align with a relined 22 RF barrel? 4mm's seems to be more common than original 22 RF's. RG, Using an offset receiver bushing might be simpler than modifying or manufacturing a breech-block. Thanks for the idea. Wouldn't the extractor be an issue?
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scharfe Oldtimer Offline A good plan today beats a perfect plan tomorrow. Posts: 532 Location: ny / pa line Joined: Dec 18^th, 2006	Re: German Schuetzen Conversion to 22 RF Reply #8 - Oct 4^th, 2024 at 11:01pm	Print Post
	This post got Me thinking and i found this :If you get a copy of "The Modern Gunsmith" by James V Howe he has a bit in vol 1 on making an eccentric pin to change it from centrefire to rimfire. All you have to do after that is rotate the pin 90 deg which drops or raises the breechblock enabling either centrefire or rimfire. Is anyone alse familiar with this or have pictures ?


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yamoon Oldtimer Offline NRA Life, ASSRA , GGCA, MCA Posts: 880 Location: Junction City Kansas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2012	Re: German Schuetzen Conversion to 22 RF Reply #9 - Oct 4^th, 2024 at 11:18pm	Print Post
	scharfe wrote on Oct 4^th, 2024 at 11:01pm: This post got Me thinking and i found this :If you get a copy of "The Modern Gunsmith" by James V Howe he has a bit in vol 1 on making an eccentric pin to change it from centrefire to rimfire. All you have to do after that is rotate the pin 90 deg which drops or raises the breechblock enabling either centrefire or rimfire. Is anyone alse familiar with this or have pictures ? I think I have that book, I’ll look tomorrow. Mike


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scharfe Oldtimer Offline A good plan today beats a perfect plan tomorrow. Posts: 532 Location: ny / pa line Joined: Dec 18^th, 2006	Re: German Schuetzen Conversion to 22 RF Reply #10 - Oct 4^th, 2024 at 11:19pm	Print Post
	I found the attached pic. It was done on a Zischang O/H rifle that I missed buying years ago by about 1/2 hour. I curse that 2nd cup of coffee to this day.


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John Taylor Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1692 Location: Lewiston, ID Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2006	Re: German Schuetzen Conversion to 22 RF Reply #11 - Oct 5^th, 2024 at 10:12am	Print Post
	I had one many years back that was in 4MM rim fire. [/quote] John, Would the 4mm breech-block and firing pin align with a relined 22 RF barrel? 4mm's seems to be more common than original 22 RF's. At the time I had the rifle liners were not available. The firing pin may have worked but I never got the chance to check it out.

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FourBird Participating Member Offline Posts: 46 Location: Olympia, WA Joined: Oct 13^th, 2011	Re: German Schuetzen Conversion to 22 RF Reply #12 - Oct 12^th, 2024 at 12:16pm	Print Post
	Milestone Auctions, Willoughby, OH, have two (2) parts/project rifles (#791 and #792) up for auction on 10/27/2024. Both actions appear to be AYDT. Definite modifications based upon pictures. It appears that the breech blocks have been lowered for a RF strike and one block face has a dove tail across the front. I'd sure like to examine these projects up close. Please be advised that I have no affiliation with this auction house, supporting online bidding platforms or the items mentioned above.

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