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Walker Hepburn
Sep 26th, 2024 at 10:33pm
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How would you go about converting a center fire Hepburn action to rim fire? Since there is no link from the lever to the block would it require a new block?
Just curious. I know Walker's have been built in the past by some folks.



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Re: Walker Hepburn
Reply #1 - Sep 27th, 2024 at 1:37pm
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Not sure where you are going. Adjust cam on the lever or plug and re-drill firing pin hole. Also extractor issues.
Either the Walker or Hepburn would be very clumsy in .22RF.
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Re: Walker Hepburn
Reply #2 - Sep 27th, 2024 at 2:18pm
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DZ Arms used to build some 22 Hepburn 
rifles. I don’t see where they do on their website anymore. You might get some information from them. (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
  

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Re: Walker Hepburn
Reply #3 - Sep 27th, 2024 at 5:33pm
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Clumsy? I thought the Walker Hepburn rifles were the most coveted and expensive of all the models. Have I misjudged them?



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Re: Walker Hepburn
Reply #4 - Sep 28th, 2024 at 10:50am
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you can get a rimfire breech block from C,sharps arms for the standard hepburn. I cant see how a rim fire in the standard hepburn would be any more of a pain than it is in a high wall and i believe there were a decent amount of originals chambered in 22 rimfire.

the walker, hepburn is a whole different animal. there is a link between the underlever and the breech block in the walker. Also an additional screw in the side of the receiver that causes the breech block to tilt back pushing the hammer to full cock as it does. because of this the extracted rimfire case could fall into the open action with the tilted breech block.
  
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Re: Walker Hepburn
Reply #5 - Sep 28th, 2024 at 11:46am
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Agree about the High Wall, but clumsy compared to a .22RF on a Low Wall, Ballard, or Stevens.
Used a homemade Walker for several years. Works fine for longer CF cartridges, but a deep hole for smaller .22 RF.
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Re: Walker Hepburn
Reply #6 - Sep 30th, 2024 at 8:10pm
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There's a simpler way to convert and not alter the action. Plus you can always switch back to a CF easily!
Oldtime gunsmiths simply turned and threaded the barrel shank offset 1/8" so the CF firing pin struck the edge of the .22 shell. I have two Ballard rifles done this way and they work great!
  

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Re: Walker Hepburn
Reply #7 - Sep 30th, 2024 at 11:38pm
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Wasn't aware of the different block and lever configuration on them. As far as the offset barrel that would take a bit of practice. At least for me anyway.



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Re: Walker Hepburn
Reply #8 - Oct 1st, 2024 at 11:06am
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jhm wrote on Sep 30th, 2024 at 11:38pm:
Wasn't aware of the different block and lever configuration on them. As far as the offset barrel that would take a bit of practice. At least for me anyway.



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I'm no machinist, but was told it simply takes a 4 jaw chuck on your lathe and adjusting the jaws to 1/8" off center before turning the round shank. Then thread it as you would any barrel and index it to align at 6 or 12 o'clock.
  

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Re: Walker Hepburn
Reply #9 - Oct 1st, 2024 at 12:42pm
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I’ve been thinking of trying an offset bore for awhile now.  Maybe one of the real machinist will chime in, but I was thinking of turning the shank and threading between centers.  Then finishing, a round profile, in a chuck, and tailstock with a live center.  As long as the profile wasn’t to extreme this may work.

I think the real challenge would be an octagon barrel and indexing the offset bore and flat to the action and firing pin.
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Re: Walker Hepburn
Reply #10 - Oct 1st, 2024 at 3:55pm
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Here's a link to a YouTube video put out by the American Custom Gunmaker Foundation.
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In the video I'm doing an offset chamber for a two barrel set on a Winchester takedown. The video also covers relieving the threads for the takedown.
  

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Re: Walker Hepburn
Reply #11 - Oct 1st, 2024 at 4:00pm
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I have also done a Hepburn in .22 rimfire. For that one I made a new breech block with the firing pin in the correct location. I also made the top of the block a little higher and put a loading trough in it that lines up with the chamber when the block is in it's "rest" position. To get the fired shells out of the action after the extractor has done it's work, I use a 6mm ignition wrench.
  

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Reply #12 - Oct 1st, 2024 at 5:12pm
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the idea of the offset bore always bothered me. not that I'll ever do it, but just thinking about them I wondered if saving the breechblock by offsetting the bore, did you just make even more hassle than coming up with an entirely different extractor geometry? Psshaw! what do I know?
  
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Re: Walker Hepburn
Reply #13 - Oct 1st, 2024 at 5:45pm
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buchsenmacher wrote on Oct 1st, 2024 at 3:55pm:
Here's a link to a YouTube video put out by the American Custom Gunmaker Foundation.
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In the video I'm doing an offset chamber for a two barrel set on a Winchester takedown. The video also covers relieving the threads for the takedown.



That was a very interesting video!  Thanks.
I have no doubt now about being able to do an offset bore.
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Re: Walker Hepburn
Reply #14 - Oct 1st, 2024 at 6:28pm
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calledflyer wrote on Oct 1st, 2024 at 5:12pm:
the idea of the offset bore always bothered me. not that I'll ever do it, but just thinking about them I wondered if saving the breechblock by offsetting the bore, did you just make even more hassle than coming up with an entirely different extractor geometry? Psshaw! what do I know?


It's not just saving the breech block Pat, it's also being able to build a switch barrel rifle and use the same firing pin and block. Plus just turning the barrel offset only requires a 2nd extractor to fit the .22RF and one for whatever CF cartridges.
I personally think whoever thought it up was pure genius.
  

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