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Re: Wanting to Restore a Lyman Scope
Reply #15 - Sep 17th, 2024 at 3:01pm
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Bob,
   I have a front mount that is cracked at the base that you can have, mine all have the Pope or guide rail. PM me your address and I’ll send it to you. You should be able to duplicate it.
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Reply #16 - Sep 17th, 2024 at 10:33pm
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This scope does have the guide rail.
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Reply #17 - Sep 18th, 2024 at 8:59am
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I think all the 438 scopes have the Pope style rail. I’m certainly not a Lyman scope expert, but mine has it and those I’ve seen have it. Most ,if not all my Lyman scopes have the rail, I haven’t really looked at each one to know for sure.
  

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Reply #18 - Sep 18th, 2024 at 10:58am
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I've always rust blued the tubes on any old scopes that are steel Bob. And for removing small dents I have a piece of old round shaft I turned down to slide inside the tubes with a taper on one end to help it get past dents. Once pushed past the dent I rest both ends on wood blocks, and use my brass hammer to massage the dent out by tapping on it from the outside. It works fine as long as the dents aren't sharp hits.
  

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Reply #19 - Sep 18th, 2024 at 11:50am
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Vall, you not suggesting taking the "dent" I mention out of the tube are you?

That dent is what locates the ocular lens tube.
  

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Reply #20 - Sep 18th, 2024 at 12:39pm
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No dents in this tube except the one Franks is referring too.  If it did, as you described, it would be the same as fixing a shotgun tube.

The interesting thing, on the subject of the ocular tube and the locating bump.  It appears there is not a corresponding locating point on the ocular tube, specifically made to fit the bump.  I expected a small cut out.  It appears the factory just pushed the tube in and let the tube bump form its own position in edge of the ocular tube.  Just enough to hold the ocular tube from rotating, along with not allowing it to move longitudinally in the main scope tube.
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Reply #21 - Sep 18th, 2024 at 12:48pm
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For the record and anyone wondering what we are talking about.
Heres a picture of the rail, on the right, and the the small dent or bump, off the end of the rail, to the left 3 inches or so.
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Re: Wanting to Restore a Lyman Scope
Reply #22 - Sep 18th, 2024 at 1:20pm
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I must have read this wrong?

bobw wrote on Sep 16th, 2024 at 1:28pm:
Frank,
Thanks for the info.  I need to look again but I’m sure there is a dent.

Is rust blue correct for these?
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Reply #23 - Sep 18th, 2024 at 2:29pm
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That dent, isn't a good way to locate the tube. I would have never done anything like that! The end of the tube, that goes against the dent, has threads that go right to the edge of the ocular tube. Wallensack and Mossberg, used a much better way, that captured a outside, ocular nut, against the outside tube, with the housing end cap.

The 438 was suppose to be the only Stevens scope that Lyman kept of the whole Stevens line. Does anyone have a Stevens 438 that they can check, to see how Stevens held the ocular tube, in position?
  

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Reply #24 - Sep 18th, 2024 at 4:51pm
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Frank, that’s exactly how this scope is.  The dent or dimple, actually pushes the side in so the threads would not work to remove the front lens.  I noticed the deformed side and was going to push it out when I realized what it was and was for.
Thanks for all the help.
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Reply #25 - Sep 18th, 2024 at 8:11pm
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I have a Stevens #438 and the only screw it has is one in a slotted hole for adjusting the focus.
Other than that the end caps unscrew. 
Never taken it apart so that's all I know.
It could use  some cleaning the lenses are a little cloudy and there is some dust on the crosshairs.

  
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Reply #26 - Sep 18th, 2024 at 8:18pm
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My Stevens 438.

  
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Reply #27 - Sep 18th, 2024 at 8:19pm
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Another.

  
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Re: Wanting to Restore a Lyman Scope
Reply #28 - Sep 19th, 2024 at 3:05am
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Thank you, sureshot.

I've never had a Stevens 438 apart but, if you could unscrew the cap on yours, I think, it should also have a ocular lens tube. If you could take that out, and look at both ends, see if it looks like the Lyman ocular tube that I picture, regarding how the lens are held in the tube.

I'm picturing a Lyman 438 and a Mossberg 4X. Note that the 438 lens are held by the threaded fastener and this is the end that goes against that "dent", it is actually a stop and the cap, holds it against that stop.

On the Mossberg, the tube is reversed, the threaded cap, holds the lenses in place and the end cap, captures the lens cap, to hold the lens tube in place.

I only have two 438's but, I have at least 20 Mossberg and Wallensacks. I can take the lens tubes from the Mossberg and Wallensack and put them in the 438 and visa versa, you can't hold them in place, because the end caps are different but, the view through the scope is the same.
  

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Re: Wanting to Restore a Lyman Scope
Reply #29 - Sep 19th, 2024 at 10:36am
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Having owned a couple Lyman 438's please allow a couple observations. While they had ok optics and served their purpose on light rifles,the pot metal mounts were sources of vexation - stripped threads and cracks. Could've been me, but the threads stripped when just tightening onto the blocks using pennies as a screwdriver. (Could've well been over torqued by previous owners though.) The pot metal mounts though are why I've shunned them since then.
  
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