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Roller extractor pronlem
Sep 10th, 2024 at 12:16pm
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Ok I have a 1902 roller in 7x57 that I re barreled. Cut the extractor recess based on the orig. stub. Problem is when I open the block at about 1/3 of the roll the extractor will visibly pull to the left away from the cartridge and miss it entirely. All the bearing surfaces on the extractor and spring it rides on are square and the retainer screw is in place and in good condition. It is driving me crazy. It is all that is standing in the way of having this rifle done. Anyone else ever had this problem or know of a fix for it?




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Reply #1 - Sep 10th, 2024 at 12:37pm
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Since it is moving away from the cartridge it's likely there's enough play in the surfaces the extractor travels in that allow it to move. Only fix is to measure the thickness of the extractor ring and either consider building it up with weld, or a shim if there's enough room for a shim?
Have you opened the breech block a little and tried pushing the extractor away from the chamber to see how far it can move outwards? That might give you an idea of what it needs to make tolerances closer. 
I'd hate to buy a new extractor as they'll all be used and no telling if they'd be better or worse than the existing.
  

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Reply #2 - Sep 10th, 2024 at 3:30pm
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I suffered thru this when a fellow gave me a rifle to “fix” for him.  It had, like your rifle, been rebarreled to a rimmed caliber, rather than the original rimless.   The extractor on  these rifles not only tilts from side to side, but the axis of the extractor is rotated to a lower position when operating the breech block.  

I made several other extractors (thicker) and with  a differently-shaped extractor pawl.  Finally got it to work, but if doing it again, would machine the breechblock so that the extractor rotation is concentric with the axis of block rotation. One also needs to limit the rotation of the extractor with respect to the rotation of the breech block.

Best not to try to convert the later RB’s from rimless to rimmed cartridges.  It’s a fairly easy fix on the models with a sliding rather than rotating extractor

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Reply #3 - Sep 10th, 2024 at 9:11pm
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The extractor for the 7X57 is a spring designed to go over the lip on a rimless case. Usually they have a slight curve to them and enough clearance to move over the rim. The bottom of the extractor should be thicker than the top and have just enough room for the breach block.
  

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Reply #4 - Sep 10th, 2024 at 11:35pm
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Mr Taylor,
All your observations are true and this one is just as you stated and has not been modified. I am first going to try a thin metal shim and if that doesn't work at the risk of breaking it (it is a spring after all) I am going to attempt to bend it a little. It won't take much and if it does break hopefully I can get another.



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Reply #5 - Sep 11th, 2024 at 7:31pm
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I have made extractors for rimmed cartridges. Replacements are listed at $35 plus shipping.
  

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Reply #6 - Sep 11th, 2024 at 8:09pm
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John Taylor wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 7:31pm:
I have made extractors for rimmed cartridges. Replacements are listed at $35 plus shipping.



This looks like the easy way to go with this problem.

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Reply #7 - Sep 11th, 2024 at 9:43pm
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I am going to get it one way or another. Not going to let it beat me. The gun belongs to an older gent who is not mechanically inclined so I need to make it trouble free if I can. Thanks everyone...






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Reply #8 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 11:13am
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John Taylor wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 7:31pm:
I have made extractors for rimmed cartridges. Replacements are listed at $35 plus shipping.


Where are these $35 extractors listed at?
  

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Reply #10 - Sep 13th, 2024 at 12:33pm
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John Taylor wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 6:52pm:
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