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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1303 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: WR 1881 rook Reply #15 - Sep 5^th, 2024 at 11:43am	Print Post
	Your eyes, Vall, are apparently a lot better than mine. But I had guessed - emphasis on guessed - that the lever/bolt that rests along the right side of the trigger guard is pulled back to unlatch the barrel. Bill Lawrence (still MrTipUp)


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15994 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: WR 1881 rook Reply #16 - Sep 5^th, 2024 at 12:03pm	Print Post
	I think that I may have mistaken the protrusion as a catch when it might be part of the forearm steel that works as a catch? The forearm has a release underneath, and the protrusion seems to fit into the receiver. So it may be as simple as releasing the forearm and then once removed it allows the barrel to spin off?

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bobw Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1415 Location: NW, Iowa Joined: Mar 19^th, 2013	Re: WR 1881 rook Reply #17 - Sep 5^th, 2024 at 12:21pm	Print Post
	I was thinking the lever along side the trigger was the safety since I didn’t see anything on the top tang. I was going to ask the same question about the take down feature, but you all beat me to it. But, Vall’s thoughts make sense to me. The gun does have a pretty good piece of steel attached to the back of the forearm. Hope Steve chimes in and tells us how it works Bob

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SBertram Junior Member Offline Posts: 99 Joined: Mar 24^th, 2016	Re: WR 1881 rook Reply #18 - Sep 5^th, 2024 at 1:14pm	Print Post
	Gentlemen, The lever above the trigger is the safety catch, you will see the same style safety used on many 1897 WR actions as well. It is a 90 degree turn and interrupted threads that allow for the barrel take-down. To remove the barrel the block is dropped all the way, the ejector spring is tripped and the extractor is clear of the barrel. The fore end is held on by a Deeley latch and it is then removed. The barrel is rotated 90 degrees and is ready for removal. The rear portion of the fore end has a metal plate which fits a corresponding relief in the action, that keeps everything tight and lined up. I will take detailed pictures of the take-down system later today.


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Crown-C Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 487 Location: St. Marys Kansas Joined: Apr 6^th, 2009	Re: WR 1881 rook Reply #19 - Sep 5^th, 2024 at 1:51pm	Print Post
	Thanks Steve for the takedown info! So it is the forearm as Vall suspected. Looking forward to the photos.

	Richard Crown-C Ranch in the Flinthills NRA Life Member ASSRA Member # 10366 Member & Founders Society, Cody Firearms Museum Veteran
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SBertram Junior Member Offline Posts: 99 Joined: Mar 24^th, 2016	Re: WR 1881 rook Reply #20 - Sep 5^th, 2024 at 7:55pm	Print Post
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SchwarzStock Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1124 Location: SchwarzWald Joined: Mar 23^rd, 2010	Re: WR 1881 rook Reply #21 - Sep 13^th, 2024 at 12:48pm	Print Post
	SBertram wrote on Sep 4^th, 2024 at 6:26am: Deely & Edge take-down sporter chambered in .250 rook. This is the first one that I have encountered, I really like it. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, reminds me a of a saying often heard on Friday nights in the military; Save money, Go ugly Early.

	If your rifle is not in 7.62 and you can't hit what you are aiming at with de-linked machinegun ammo you are a pretender.
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rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1905 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: WR 1881 rook Reply #22 - Sep 15^th, 2024 at 12:04am	Print Post
	In spite of the fact that I like Hepburns, I wish he had paid attention to improvements available in the Deely & Edge if it in fact was available to him.

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Old-Win Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1667 Location: Minnesota Joined: Nov 24^th, 2005	Re: WR 1881 rook Reply #23 - Sep 15^th, 2024 at 9:30am	Print Post
	rkba2nd wrote on Sep 15^th, 2024 at 12:04am: In spite of the fact that I like Hepburns, I wish he had paid attention to improvements available in the Deely & Edge if it in fact was available to him. I believe it was probably the other way around. There is a good chance that Msrs. Deeley and Edge copied the Hepburn side lever as the Hepburn was patented in Oct of 1879 and the Deeley and Edge in Mar of 1881. I'm sure there was a lot of information exchanged between shooters and gun builders during the long range matches of 1874-79 and beyond. Old Reliable owned an 1881 Deeley & Edge match rifle and some Irish shooters took Sharps rifles home after the U.S. matches.
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Crown-C Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 487 Location: St. Marys Kansas Joined: Apr 6^th, 2009	Re: WR 1881 rook Reply #24 - Sep 15^th, 2024 at 10:14am	Print Post
	Two fine looking rifles Old-Win. There are several similarities, your stated patent dates certainly would support your theory. No jets, no internet in those days but I’d bet they looked at others patents and actual rifles when possible.

	Richard Crown-C Ranch in the Flinthills NRA Life Member ASSRA Member # 10366 Member & Founders Society, Cody Firearms Museum Veteran
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jhm Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1398 Location: georgia Joined: Sep 4^th, 2011	Re: WR 1881 rook Reply #25 - Sep 15^th, 2024 at 10:40am	Print Post
	I have fallen off the Hepburn cliff and now have two and working on getting a third one. Not really a fan of the D&E lever position. The Hepburn is located nearer the "thumb position" of the right hand. Wonder why Deely is located so far up? JMH


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Old-Win Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1667 Location: Minnesota Joined: Nov 24^th, 2005	Re: WR 1881 rook Reply #26 - Sep 15^th, 2024 at 2:13pm	Print Post
	I have fallen off the Hepburn cliff and now have two and working on getting a third one. Not really a fan of the D&E lever position. The Hepburn is located nearer the "thumb position" of the right hand. Wonder why Deely is located so far up? JMH The Deeley & Edge has several advantages over the Hepburn. One is that it cocks the internal hammer on opening which may have something to do with the higher position of the lever and another is that it has a strong kicking ejector. I took the ejector spring out of this one that I built so I wouldn't be looking for empties after my relay.


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rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1905 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: WR 1881 rook Reply #27 - Sep 15^th, 2024 at 4:54pm	Print Post
	Thanks Old-Win, wasn't sure which came first, the chicken or the egg.

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jhm Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1398 Location: georgia Joined: Sep 4^th, 2011	Re: WR 1881 rook Reply #28 - Sep 15^th, 2024 at 6:58pm	Print Post
	Makes sense. Was unaware of the internal workings of the D&E action. JMH


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Fields Participating Member Offline Posts: 21 Joined: Aug 11^th, 2016	Re: WR 1881 rook Reply #29 - Sep 16^th, 2024 at 8:30am	Print Post
	Built on a "Fields Action". Sold one in .450 BPE great rifle/action and fun to shoot.


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