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Re: WR 1881 rook
Reply #15 - Sep 5th, 2024 at 11:43am
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Your eyes, Vall, are apparently a lot better than mine.  But I had guessed - emphasis on guessed - that the lever/bolt that rests along the right side of the trigger guard is pulled back to unlatch the barrel.

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Re: WR 1881 rook
Reply #16 - Sep 5th, 2024 at 12:03pm
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I think that I may have mistaken the protrusion as a catch when it might be part of the forearm steel that works as a catch? The forearm has a release underneath, and the protrusion seems to fit into the receiver. So it may be as simple as releasing the forearm and then once removed it allows the barrel to spin off?
  

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Re: WR 1881 rook
Reply #17 - Sep 5th, 2024 at 12:21pm
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I was thinking the lever along side the trigger was the safety since I didn’t see anything on the top tang.

I was going to ask the same question about the take down feature, but you all beat me to it.  But, Vall’s thoughts make sense to me.  The gun does have a pretty good piece of steel attached to the back of the forearm.  Hope Steve chimes in and tells us how it works
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Re: WR 1881 rook
Reply #18 - Sep 5th, 2024 at 1:14pm
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Gentlemen,
                The lever above the trigger is the safety catch, you will see the same style safety used on many 1897 WR actions as well.

It is a 90 degree turn and interrupted threads that allow for the barrel  take-down. To remove the barrel the block is dropped all the way, the ejector spring is tripped and the extractor is clear of the barrel. The fore end is held on by a Deeley latch and it is then removed. The barrel is rotated 90 degrees and is ready for removal. 

The rear portion of the fore end has a metal plate which fits a corresponding relief in the action, that keeps everything tight and lined up. 

I will take detailed pictures of the take-down system later today.
  
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Re: WR 1881 rook
Reply #19 - Sep 5th, 2024 at 1:51pm
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Thanks Steve for the takedown info! So it is the forearm as Vall suspected. Looking forward to the photos.
  

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Reply #20 - Sep 5th, 2024 at 7:55pm
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Re: WR 1881 rook
Reply #21 - Sep 13th, 2024 at 12:48pm
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SBertram wrote on Sep 4th, 2024 at 6:26am:
Deely & Edge take-down sporter chambered in .250 rook. This is the first one that I have encountered, I really like it. 



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Reply #22 - Sep 15th, 2024 at 12:04am
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In spite of the fact that I like Hepburns, I wish he had paid attention to improvements available in the Deely & Edge if it in fact was available to him.
  

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Re: WR 1881 rook
Reply #23 - Sep 15th, 2024 at 9:30am
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rkba2nd wrote on Sep 15th, 2024 at 12:04am:
In spite of the fact that I like Hepburns, I wish he had paid attention to improvements available in the Deely & Edge if it in fact was available to him.
 
I believe it was probably the other way around. There is a good chance that Msrs. Deeley and Edge copied the Hepburn side lever as the Hepburn was patented in Oct of 1879 and the Deeley and Edge in Mar of 1881.  I'm sure there was a lot of information exchanged between shooters and gun builders during the long range matches of 1874-79 and beyond.  Old Reliable owned an 1881 Deeley & Edge match rifle and some Irish shooters took Sharps rifles home after the U.S. matches.
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Re: WR 1881 rook
Reply #24 - Sep 15th, 2024 at 10:14am
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Two fine looking rifles Old-Win. There are several similarities, your stated patent dates certainly would support your theory. No jets, no internet in those days but I’d bet they looked at others patents and actual rifles when possible.
  

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Re: WR 1881 rook
Reply #25 - Sep 15th, 2024 at 10:40am
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I have fallen off the Hepburn cliff and now have two and working on getting a third one. Not really a fan of the D&E lever position. The Hepburn is located nearer the "thumb position" of the right hand. Wonder why Deely is located so far up?



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Re: WR 1881 rook
Reply #26 - Sep 15th, 2024 at 2:13pm
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I have fallen off the Hepburn cliff and now have two and working on getting a third one. Not really a fan of the D&E lever position. The Hepburn is located nearer the "thumb position" of the right hand. Wonder why Deely is located so far up?
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The Deeley & Edge has several advantages over the Hepburn. One is that it cocks the internal hammer on opening which may have something to do with the higher position of the lever and another is that it has a strong kicking ejector. I took the ejector spring out of this one that I built so I wouldn't be looking for empties after my relay.
  
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Re: WR 1881 rook
Reply #27 - Sep 15th, 2024 at 4:54pm
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Thanks Old-Win, wasn't sure which came first, the chicken or the egg.
  

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Reply #28 - Sep 15th, 2024 at 6:58pm
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Makes sense. Was unaware of the internal workings of the D&E action.





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Re: WR 1881 rook
Reply #29 - Sep 16th, 2024 at 8:30am
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Built on a "Fields Action". Sold one in .450 BPE great rifle/action and fun to shoot.
  
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