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WVsmoke Participating Member Offline Posts: 29 Location: West Virginia Joined: Feb 17^th, 2023	Smokeless powder for 38-50 Rem-Hep Aug 8^th, 2024 at 6:20pm	Print Post
	What powders are recommended for shooting the 38-50? I would like to hunt whitetails with a jacketed bullet in my rifle and I would like to know what powders work in large volume black powder cartridges? Allan


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craigster Oldtimer Offline Posts: 673 Location: lost coast CA Joined: Feb 20^th, 2011	Re: Smokeless powder for 38-50 Rem-Hep Reply #1 - Aug 8^th, 2024 at 6:38pm	Print Post
	5744. Or Trail Boss.


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WVsmoke Participating Member Offline Posts: 29 Location: West Virginia Joined: Feb 17^th, 2023	Re: Smokeless powder for 38-50 Rem-Hep Reply #2 - Aug 8^th, 2024 at 8:40pm	Print Post
	Are either readily available today? Forgive my ignorance please, I don’t think I have loaded in quite some time…. Thanks, Allan


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craigster Oldtimer Offline Posts: 673 Location: lost coast CA Joined: Feb 20^th, 2011	Re: Smokeless powder for 38-50 Rem-Hep Reply #3 - Aug 8^th, 2024 at 8:45pm	Print Post
	You'll just have to see what's out there in your local area.


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WVsmoke Participating Member Offline Posts: 29 Location: West Virginia Joined: Feb 17^th, 2023	Re: Smokeless powder for 38-50 Rem-Hep Reply #4 - Aug 8^th, 2024 at 9:18pm	Print Post
	Thanks, I will. Allan


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WVsmoke Participating Member Offline Posts: 29 Location: West Virginia Joined: Feb 17^th, 2023	Re: Smokeless powder for 38-50 Rem-Hep Reply #5 - Aug 8^th, 2024 at 10:04pm	Print Post
	The big suppliers on the internet seem to be out. I will keep an eye out for Accurate 5744 when I am out and about. I do have IMR 4198 and Accurate 2015 which both seem to be recommended for 45-70. I will have to search my loading tables for these two powders. Allan


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beltfed Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1746 Location: Central Wi Joined: Dec 20^th, 2007	Re: Smokeless powder for 38-50 Rem-Hep Reply #6 - Aug 9^th, 2024 at 9:33am	Print Post
	I suggest you look at smokeless 38-55 and 375Win loads in the handbooks, LYman #50 . You can work up in your (Modern, I hope) rifle with the 38-50 which has about 10% greater case capacity over the 38-55 . I found an excellent deer hunt load for my Marlin 336CB 38-55 with Reloader 7. Similar in burn rate to old IMR 3031which was and is a go-to for relatively straight wall cases. I had also used the 3031 for full loads in my '86 Win 45-70. Then graduated to 4895 or Varget when I ran out of 3031 beltfed/arnie


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WVsmoke Participating Member Offline Posts: 29 Location: West Virginia Joined: Feb 17^th, 2023	Re: Smokeless powder for 38-50 Rem-Hep Reply #7 - Aug 9^th, 2024 at 9:54am	Print Post
	Thanks beltfed, I will check out those resources. My IMR 3031 is my lightest container, indicating how popular it was 25 years ago in my reloading room. Allan


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Cbashooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1567 Location: Eastern Wa. Joined: Mar 31^st, 2018	Re: Smokeless powder for 38-50 Rem-Hep Reply #8 - Aug 9^th, 2024 at 9:32pm	Print Post
	here u go,from 1967 Ken Waters in Shooting Times


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WVsmoke Participating Member Offline Posts: 29 Location: West Virginia Joined: Feb 17^th, 2023	Re: Smokeless powder for 38-50 Rem-Hep Reply #9 - Aug 10^th, 2024 at 10:15am	Print Post
	Thanks Cbashooter.


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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3846 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Smokeless powder for 38-50 Rem-Hep Reply #10 - Aug 10^th, 2024 at 7:03pm	Print Post
	WV, at the velocities involved the deer will never know whether the bullet had a jacket or not.


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WVsmoke Participating Member Offline Posts: 29 Location: West Virginia Joined: Feb 17^th, 2023	Re: Smokeless powder for 38-50 Rem-Hep Reply #11 - Aug 10^th, 2024 at 7:52pm	Print Post
	Well……. The way I learned to reload ammo, oneatatime, one uses jacketed bullets with white powder and greased grooved bullets with black powder…. I guess I was not brought up right?? Allan


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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3846 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Smokeless powder for 38-50 Rem-Hep Reply #12 - Aug 10^th, 2024 at 8:38pm	Print Post
	If you were brought up in West Virginia I'm sure you were brought up right! I suppose Ken Waters wasn't though as every load on that page was white powder and lead bullets - OK, 3 of them had gas checks and 1 was a half jacket;-) I was just making a comment on the deer's reaction to being shot. Let's go at it a different way: what rifle do you have? What bullet were you thinking of using? What is the groove diameter of your barrel?
	« Last Edit: Aug 11^th, 2024 at 1:33am by oneatatime »

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argie1891 Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 265 Location: selah, washington Joined: Jul 8^th, 2010	Re: Smokeless powder for 38-50 Rem-Hep Reply #13 - Aug 15^th, 2024 at 4:32am	Print Post
	i have been using 4198 and a cast bullet of 285 gr. in my rolling block. The charge weight is 23 gr. I would call it mostly a target load as if i remember correctly the velocity was fairly slow. Tomorrow i will check my records and see if i ran it over the chronograph. The one thing i can say it is accurate most loads going 1.5 inches with some right at an inch at 100 yards. Ken Waters lists 23 gr of 4198 in the 38-55 at 1450 fps with a 250 gr. bullet. that should be close to the 38/50 and if it does 1450 or so it should drop anything you hit with it. Waters lists 3 categories of rifles and this load is for his weakest action rifles. Hope this helps

	if you think you have it figured out then you just dont understand
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jhm Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1403 Location: georgia Joined: Sep 4^th, 2011	Re: Smokeless powder for 38-50 Rem-Hep Reply #14 - Aug 15^th, 2024 at 10:13pm	Print Post
	You know I am going to build me one of those if I can ever find a chamber reamer. Those things are like hens teeth. Tried two grind houses and both have unbelievable lead times. I am taking notes here so if I ever do get it done I will have some load info. JMH


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