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25 Zischang
Jul 9th, 2024 at 11:24am
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Just bought a Ballard chambered in 25 Zischang. I'm interested in any info anyone might have on this caliber. Load data like bullet weight and powder charges, etc. I read that the parent cartridge was 32 Ideal. If anyone has any info on how to form the brass, I'd appreciate that, too.
  
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Re: 25 Zischang
Reply #1 - Jul 9th, 2024 at 7:43pm
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Are you able to make a chamber cast?
  

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Reply #2 - Jul 9th, 2024 at 7:55pm
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As soon as I have the rifle in hand, I'll do that.
  
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Reply #3 - Jul 9th, 2024 at 8:16pm
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Re: 25 Zischang
Reply #4 - Jul 9th, 2024 at 9:45pm
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Ken Meyer wrote an article in the journal from March/April of 2011 about a "25-20 Zischang Ballard" that he had. In the article he says it was formed from the 32 Ideal case. The archives may still have a copy.
  
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Re: 25 Zischang
Reply #5 - Jul 10th, 2024 at 7:57am
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Ok, before I get my impetuous self too inquisitive about what's down the .25 Zischang rabbit hole, what's the real world brass situation like for .32 Ideal?
  
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Re: 25 Zischang
Reply #6 - Jul 10th, 2024 at 9:41am
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If there are any original .32 Ideal shells around, I’ve never encountered them, and I’ve looked hard.

Turned shells from Rocky Mtn Cartridge Co are available, at a price and a wait.

7.62 Nagant pistol shells can be found, new or used.  The rims are a little small and thin, the length is a little short, and they seem to be pretty brittle, but they can be annealed and blown out straight by fireforming and used in a pinch.

Whether (if tapered down like in the picture) they would work satisfactorily in a Zischang target rifle would have to be determined heuristically.

I’ve had very poor results treating RMC shells like drawn shells; ie, running them through FL sizing dies.  They crack in only a few reloadings.  Whether they’d stand reforming is another question that someone will have to find out.
  
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Re: 25 Zischang
Reply #7 - Jul 10th, 2024 at 10:27am
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I did find some original 32 Ideal brass. I need to figure out what dies to use to form it to 25 Zischang. Good to know that RMC makes 32 Ideal. Looks like I got myself into a project.
  
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Reply #8 - Jul 10th, 2024 at 10:45am
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I bought 32 Ideal brass from Rocky Mtn Brass quite afew years ago at $1.50 each. then the brass went to $2.50 each.  I drew up a sketch and had PTG make the reamer.It a 32-357 Max with 1/2" straight neck so I can do a fixed load if I want to .It is within 1 grain of the original 32 Ideal case .A bomb proof case that will never wear out
  

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