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Dselman Participating Member Offline Posts: 18 Joined: Jun 23^rd, 2024	Stevens 44 with L.C. Cummins scope. Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 10:23pm	Print Post
	I recently acquired the Stevens 44 chambered in 25-21. It came with a L.C. Cummins scope of unknown magnification. But it has a broken crosshair and a badly scratched front lense. It also has a rear sight that fits in the original dovetail but hangs off to the left side. However it is missing the front offset sight. Does anyone have any info on the scope and possibility someone who could repair it. Also what caliber would be suitable to rebarrel it in? I see talk of 32-40 with low pressure loads. Does that include low pressure smokeless loads or is it strictly black powder only? I have pictures to post as soon as I figure out how to make the file smaller.


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Dselman Participating Member Offline Posts: 18 Joined: Jun 23^rd, 2024	Re: Stevens 44 with L.C. Cummins scope. Reply #1 - Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 10:41pm	Print Post
	Sorry some of the pictures are a little blurry. That’s about as good as I could get them while getting the file small enough.


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rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1895 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: Stevens 44 with L.C. Cummins scope. Reply #2 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 12:30am	Print Post
	I can't tell if your L.C. Cummins scope is fit with both windage and elevation internal adjustments. They could be ordered with elevation only, or with both. I have the scope with elevation only mounted on an almost identical Stevens 44, 45 model, except in 25-20SS. The 25-21 is a very fine cartridge, and I would leave well enough alone if the bore is shootable. Depending on your end use and desire. As for repair on the scope, I am no longer aware of anyone currently doing work on these older scopes. There is a gentleman in Florida who I understand does or did, but don't have contact information for him. Someone else hopefully will provide the information for you, or possibly others that can do the work required on your scope. You have a very nice rifle, well worth the cost to repair the scope.

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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Stevens 44 with L.C. Cummins scope. Reply #3 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 2:50am	Print Post
	Need to know more, esp. whether it has adjustments for both crosshairs or just one. I cannot by any stretch be considered a scope repairman, but I did replace the vertical crosshair in mine, some years ago. My scope is weird in that the horizontal crosshair is at the first focal plane, and the vertical at the second. I was able to remove the rear cell to replace the vertical one. I found the patents using G*gle's patent search, and have attached some files here. Also have some photos I took of the cell and a tool I made to emplace the new crosshair correctly. It is merely glued to the face of the cell. My rifle is a Model 45, chambered .32 Ideal. If yours is .25-21, I implore* you to leave it alone unless the bore is trashed. The .25-21 is a fine, accurate, economical cartridge that is worth shelling out to obtain brass for. If the bore IS trashed, I'd have John Taylor reline it and chamber back to .25-21. That rifle deserves to stay as close to original as possible!
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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Stevens 44 with L.C. Cummins scope. Reply #4 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 3:02am	Print Post
	nb: The .32-40 is streng verboten in a 44 unless it has the lugged hammer, which yours will not.

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Dselman Participating Member Offline Posts: 18 Joined: Jun 23^rd, 2024	Re: Stevens 44 with L.C. Cummins scope. Reply #5 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 6:23am	Print Post
	It only has adjustment for elevation. I partially disassembled the scope for a light cleaning. It had about a 6 inch long brass tube at the rear that I didn’t disassemble as the caps were stuck. I just didn’t think that the scope would have the crosshairs on 2 different focal planes. As for the caliber I would love to leave it. It’s just hard for me to justify spending $110 on 20 pieces of brass. I was thinking I could put a new barrel in a slightly more common caliber. And keep the original barrel to go back on for collectability if I ever sold it.


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Stevens 44 with L.C. Cummins scope. Reply #6 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 6:52am	Print Post
	A new barrel will set you back $everal hundred$, and finding an extractor for a different round may be next to impossible. The usual parts suppliers are out of stock, and I sold my last new one to a guy in San Diego six or eight months ago. That said, your choices for a centerfire 44 without the hammer lug are limited to low pressure pistol rounds like .32 S&W Long, .38 Special (but no +P loads!!), .32-20, and the Stevens .25 family. .28-30-120 would be great, but brass for that is even harder to find. My criterion is breech thrust, which IMO should not exceed 1100 lbf., if there is to be any expectation of reasonable life before the link has to be renewed. That lets out all of the modern smokeless .22s, even the little Hornet.

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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Stevens 44 with L.C. Cummins scope. Reply #7 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 6:59am	Print Post
	The old 44 will breech-seat a bullet using a plugged case. Following that scenario, just one good case will last you indefinitely.

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Dselman Participating Member Offline Posts: 18 Joined: Jun 23^rd, 2024	Re: Stevens 44 with L.C. Cummins scope. Reply #8 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 7:57am	Print Post
	I may very well end up leaving it as is. I was just thinking I could spend a couple hundred on a barrel blank and I have the ability to thread and chamber it myself. As I have rebarreled several rifles and even built a falling block from scratch. I could also make the extractor. I had thought about the possibility of breach seating but started reading into it and saw some stuff about specific chambers and tapered bullets to fit the chamber and wasn’t sure if it would work out or not


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Stevens 44 with L.C. Cummins scope. Reply #9 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 9:18am	Print Post
	They are pretty easy to set up a barrel for, but there's a very specific sequence that things must be done in. I have this written up if you decide to do it. Extractors are easiest if you have a rotary table for your mill. I can provide you with my fixture drawing. I don't do them now owing to health issues. Oops! My fixture is for the central extractor - your has the 7 o'clock extractor. Have to think about that one. Phil

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Dselman Participating Member Offline Posts: 18 Joined: Jun 23^rd, 2024	Re: Stevens 44 with L.C. Cummins scope. Reply #10 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 10:48am	Print Post
	I just got off the phone with parsons scope repair. He said he would take a look at repairing it. Does anyone have a rough estimate on the value of the scope in working condition . I don’t want to end up with more money in it than the scope is worth. And also the value of the gun. It has a pristine bore and super tight action.


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Statesrights Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 325 Location: Virginia Joined: May 3^rd, 2016	Re: Stevens 44 with L.C. Cummins scope. Reply #11 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 11:00am	Print Post
	Keep that fine little critter in the original chambering. There are readers on this forum pining for it. You buy a couple pieces of brass and I’ll send you some bullets to shoot breech seated.


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jhm Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 1379 Location: georgia Joined: Sep 4^th, 2011	Re: Stevens 44 with L.C. Cummins scope. Reply #12 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 11:46am	Print Post
	Nice clean rifle. Think I would save some cash and buy the brass and keep it as is. I just payed 3.00 each for some brass. I got 50 pieces. Some of it is stupid expensive but once you have it you have it. JMH


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7231 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Stevens 44 with L.C. Cummins scope. Reply #13 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 12:13pm	Print Post
	Since you have machining skills, you can turn brass cases to fit, rather than turn a barrel to fit. I think the 25/21 is the perfect case size for a 44, for longevity and accuracy, with 86 gr bullets.

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Dselman Participating Member Offline Posts: 18 Joined: Jun 23^rd, 2024	Re: Stevens 44 with L.C. Cummins scope. Reply #14 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 12:55pm	Print Post
	Where were you able to find it for $3. Every I find it in stock is atleast $5.50 and located in the uk or Australia. It has crossed my mind to turn a piece of brass. I just wasn’t sure about having to deal with repriming and loose powder at the range


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