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nuclearcricket Oldtimer Offline Posts: 740 Joined: Oct 15^th, 2008	low wall rebarrel question May 28^th, 2024 at 2:29pm	Print Post
	I have been offered a center fire low wall. The barrel is not in the best of shape inside, its a 38 wcf. I was wondering if a green mountain octagon barrel, with a taper of Breech to Muzzle OD .850-.710, would be big enough or the right size to have fitted to a low wall? TIA Sam


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guilty gil Participating Member Offline Posts: 32 Location: Livingston mt. Joined: Feb 5^th, 2021	Re: low wall rebarrel question Reply #1 - May 28^th, 2024 at 3:08pm	Print Post
	Gm site says they have a 1" round stub.⁹dehass says low walls have a.825x16tpi shanl, so if you leave a tulip there should be no problem


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WVsmoke Participating Member Offline Posts: 29 Location: West Virginia Joined: Feb 17^th, 2023	Re: low wall rebarrel question Reply #2 - May 28^th, 2024 at 3:44pm	Print Post
	Nuke, There are two different size low walls out there. Original Low walls and Winder Musket low walls that started life as a high wall and then were cut down for the winder contract. The winder low walls have the larger barrel stub. Allan


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guilty gil Participating Member Offline Posts: 32 Location: Livingston mt. Joined: Feb 5^th, 2021	Re: low wall rebarrel question Reply #3 - May 28^th, 2024 at 6:54pm	Print Post
	Another option would be a 38 liner? I have done 22 liners, i don't know external size of 38 caliber liners or your barrel dianeter but it's a thought.


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guilty gil Participating Member Offline Posts: 32 Location: Livingston mt. Joined: Feb 5^th, 2021	Re: low wall rebarrel question Reply #4 - May 28^th, 2024 at 7:01pm	Print Post
	Were there an winders made in 38 wcf? I assumed small shank but i guess someone in the past could have replaced th.e barrel


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nuclearcricket Oldtimer Offline Posts: 740 Joined: Oct 15^th, 2008	Re: low wall rebarrel question Reply #5 - May 28^th, 2024 at 8:27pm	Print Post
	I didn't know about the Winder buy my guess is this isn't a winder. Most likely all original low wall. The thought of a liner has crossed my mind. A lot will depend on the condition of the exterior of the barrel. If the outside is in good shape a liner may be the better way to go. I will know for sure in a few weeks or so when I get to take a look at it. Another thought for it was to have it converted to .22 rf. I did look and see that blocks are available but not sure if I want to sink that much money into it. So we shall see. Thanks for the info I do appreciate it. Sam


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Deadeye Bly Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1051 Location: Stephens City Joined: Feb 25^th, 2011	Re: low wall rebarrel question Reply #6 - May 28^th, 2024 at 9:10pm	Print Post
	The 38 WCF is a 40 caliber, not a 38 caliber. a 3/8" dia liner will not fit.


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nuclearcricket Oldtimer Offline Posts: 740 Joined: Oct 15^th, 2008	Re: low wall rebarrel question Reply #7 - May 29^th, 2024 at 8:11am	Print Post
	I did go to track of the wolf and look at liners, they do come in 2 diameters, .800 and .625. They are a lot faster twist, 18" than the GM barrel is. I the GM is a 40" twist. I don't understand why so much difference and don't know if it would really make that much difference since the bullet weight selection is rather small. I guess just wait and see what it looks like and make a decision from there. My guess the difference in price between a liner install and a new barrel would be minimal. So exterior condition would be the big factor in the long run. Sam


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Green_Frog Frequent Elocutionist Offline "It ain't easy being green" ASSRA Life #281 Posts: 3998 Location: Lynchburg, VA Joined: Apr 18^th, 2004	Re: low wall rebarrel question Reply #8 - May 30^th, 2024 at 1:49pm	Print Post
	Grn Mtn used to sell a tapered octagon blank they called their "small lever action" profile, designed to be used on pistol caliber lever action rifles. It sounds like you have the current version of this. Charlie Dell fitted one of these in 25 caliber to a low wall action for me many years ago and took advantage of the round part on the end of the octagon blank to thread and chamber, leaving a Ballard style tulip. this worked well and really looks nice. Forge


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nuclearcricket Oldtimer Offline Posts: 740 Joined: Oct 15^th, 2008	Re: low wall rebarrel question Reply #9 - May 30^th, 2024 at 6:35pm	Print Post
	Ty GF, yes that is what I had looked at, they also have a 1.06" turned blank. That bland would give me an octagon with about .975 across the flats. But thats an extra $200 plus to get milled down. I do suppose I could just use the round barrel as it is. For right now I am kind of in the gathering information state, I will know more when I get it in my sticky little hands and get a good look at what all it needs. Another though is to get a new breach block, firing pin and extractor and have it barreled with the round barrel in .22 rf. Stash the original parts away then sell it as a complete package somewhere down the road. Time will tell I guess. I will let everyone know if and when it becomes a new member of the household. Sam


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JeffG Participating Member Offline Posts: 28 Joined: Dec 2^nd, 2018	Re: low wall rebarrel question Reply #10 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 1:30pm	Print Post
	tag for interest in further discussions,


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John Taylor Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1678 Location: Lewiston, ID Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2006	Re: low wall rebarrel question Reply #11 - Jun 7^th, 2024 at 2:21pm	Print Post
	The original rifle barrel in 38-40 was 1 in 40 twist. The liners are in the pistol twist. I talked to Mike at TJ's several years back about this and he said he didn't have the proper tooling to do the slower twist. There is a 44-40 liner with 1 in 24 twist. Both liners come in 9/16"OD and 5/8" OD. Just checked the price of a GM barrel, not bad, but then I get the dealer discount.

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nuclearcricket Oldtimer Offline Posts: 740 Joined: Oct 15^th, 2008	Re: low wall rebarrel question Reply #12 - Jun 7^th, 2024 at 3:55pm	Print Post
	John even with out the dealer discount the GM barrels are not a bad price. I kind of thought that the origional barrel twist was 40 or so and with that short of a bullet my guess is that they will shoot just fine. I have been kind of looking around and tossing some numbers around to try to figure what might be better, reline, re-barrel, or just do a total rebuild to .22 rf and put the original parts back so if the next owner wants to restore to original they can. I will know a lot more when I get to take a look at it and go from there. Sam


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Old-Win Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 1667 Location: Minnesota Joined: Nov 24^th, 2005	Re: low wall rebarrel question Reply #13 - Jun 7^th, 2024 at 4:18pm	Print Post
	Green_Frog wrote on May 30^th, 2024 at 1:49pm: Grn Mtn used to sell a tapered octagon blank they called their "small lever action" profile, designed to be used on pistol caliber lever action rifles. It sounds like you have the current version of this. Charlie Dell fitted one of these in 25 caliber to a low wall action for me many years ago and took advantage of the round part on the end of the octagon blank to thread and chamber, leaving a Ballard style tulip. this worked well and really looks nice. Forge I have one of those Green Mountain barrels in 44 caliber that is brand new. I was going to put it on an 1892 Winchester, but then lucked into finding a new old stock 38-40 barrel that I used. If interested PM me.


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nuclearcricket Oldtimer Offline Posts: 740 Joined: Oct 15^th, 2008	Re: low wall rebarrel question Reply #14 - Jun 16^th, 2024 at 11:14am	Print Post
	Well the low wall I had been offered followed me home yesterday. The barrel is ruff on the inside but not overly bad, I feel it could be shot with out any problems. Over all its not in bad shape, everything feels tight. No real finish on the action or parts, the barrel is a very nice even brown. The rear sight is missing and the but plate screw on the top of the stock has been replaced, and really doesn't look good. Can any one give me a good guess on its age, the S/N is 82XXX. The barrel has a #1 stamped just infront of the forend, on the bottom of the barrel. So I am guessing its a #1 weight barrel and thus most likely a small shank. It just hard to get into measure things with out taking it all apart. The barrel is about .870 across the flats at the action. TIA Sam


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