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An old No. 5 Roller
May 17th, 2024 at 9:03pm
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I have an old No. 5 Remington Rolling Block. It's a 7x57 military rifle, with a barrel that squeezes a round ball down to about .287 at the breech and again at the muzzle, but for about a foot somewhere in the middle, the slug just drops.   

I'm not a hunter, but I'd like to make the old roller into a something with a shorter barrel.  There is a lot of .223, and especially 5.56 mm military stuff around.  Would that work?
  
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Reply #1 - May 17th, 2024 at 10:38pm
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Staying with the same rim diameter makes for an easier rebarrel.  Going to a smaller case makes for a pain adjusting the extractor.  It’s not as simple as changing the barrel.

.223/5.56 is higher pressure than 7x57, but a smaller case head, so lower breech thrust.  Safe?  Probably.  Good idea?  Not in my opinion.
  
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Re: An old No. 5 Roller
Reply #2 - May 17th, 2024 at 10:38pm
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Those are the "stronger" of the roller actions but you need to look at pressures and make your decision. I am sure someone here can help you with that. I rebarreled one with a Douglas barrel a few years back and he went with the original 7x57 round.



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Reply #3 - May 18th, 2024 at 3:59am
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Thanks, guys. I wasn't sure it was a good idea. How about a new barrel in .30-30? Would the extractor work?
  
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Re: An old No. 5 Roller
Reply #4 - May 18th, 2024 at 5:38am
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Yes, the extractor should work with only minor stoning with 30-30 head size cartridges.
  

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Reply #5 - May 18th, 2024 at 10:11am
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Following this discussion. Has anyone here done a .30-40 Krag conversion on a #5?
  
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Reply #6 - May 18th, 2024 at 10:30am
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Yes
on a .43 whatever action, rotary extractor
firing pin is a little large, not a problem if you keep the load sensible
I also have a No.5, with a sliding extractor, original 7mm, barreled to 38-55, had to make an extractor, wasn't comfortable welding the original
keep in mind both no.5 were set up for rimless
also mine is a 1897, with the large barrel threads
  
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Re: An old No. 5 Roller
Reply #7 - May 18th, 2024 at 3:24pm
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Remington factory chambered the 30-40 Krag on 1897 actions for both military and sporting rifles.  The 30-40k makes a fine hunting rifle when built on a 1902/1910 action.
  
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Reply #8 - May 18th, 2024 at 4:18pm
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Ok, but how about with a 1902/1910 action with rotary extractor? That's what I have to work with.
  
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Reply #9 - May 19th, 2024 at 12:39pm
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I put a long octagon barrel in 38-55 on one of my #5s, works great and not much recoil.
  

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Reply #10 - May 19th, 2024 at 3:06pm
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welded the extractor and fitted to the 30-40K rim
easy enough if you know a good welder
fitting to the barrel requires a lot of patience
  
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Re: An old No. 5 Roller
Reply #11 - Sep 27th, 2024 at 2:06pm
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Does anyone have a quick and easy hack to tighten up headspace on a #5?  We’ve got one with about a 1/16” or more, which I deem to be troubling. (Not to mention troublesome!)
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Re: An old No. 5 Roller
Reply #12 - Sep 27th, 2024 at 3:29pm
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I've tightened up #2s by making new block and hammer pins from drill rod, hardened and tempered after fitting.  The same thing could be done to the larger editions of the Rolling Block.

A "real" fix would doubtless involve reaming the block and lever holes round and then making new pins to fit the larger holes, but just a couple thousandths more diameter in the pins helps a lot.  Before the change, I could pull the blocks back against the hammers and see daylight between the block faces and the barrel breech, but afterwards this wasn't possible.
  
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Re: An old No. 5 Roller
Reply #13 - Sep 27th, 2024 at 9:54pm
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John Taylor wrote on May 19th, 2024 at 12:39pm:
I put a long octagon barrel in 38-55 on one of my #5s, works great and not much recoil.


Same here, only I used a round barrel. Fun to shoot.
  
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