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Bluedog Participating Member Online Posts: 13 Joined: Jan 14^th, 2024	Processing new brass Apr 15^th, 2024 at 9:15am	Print Post
	Hello all, I hope this doesn’t sound too silly to have any morning coffee projecting from anyone’s nose. But I am new to reloading smokeless powder, all of my limited experience is in loading black powder For new brass I am accustom to 1) full length sizing 2) trimming to .010” over desired length 3) deburring inside and out 4) annealing 5) fireforming 6) trimming to actual desired length 7) deburring inside and out 8) annealing again (after every firing) Is this process valid with intentions of loading smokeless for the single shots? For fixed cartridges? For breech seating? This process even with black powder certainly has its flaws, mainly piles of brass that are “short” and set aside I read a thread on this forum about short cases and I understood some of you trim all your brass to match the shortest piece, unless I understood what I read wrong which is very possible Thank you all for your time Jason Northeast Pennsylvania


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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2479 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: Processing new brass Reply #1 - Apr 15^th, 2024 at 9:29am	Print Post
	Trimming to the same length is more important when crimping. I gave up doing that with my BP when I hand seated bullets on top of the wad. I use only 1 case at a time when breech seating. I do file a notch in the edge of the rim to index the case in the chamber. I sometimes use a hand tool to expand the case mouth if I get too much blowback but I can’t say it helps accuracy. My 25 Hornet will crease the case mouth every once in a while when breech seating. I used to discard those cases but now I just bend the crease out and keep shooting. I don’t really deal with smokeless fixed ammo much so others here should have better answers Jack

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15750 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Processing new brass Reply #2 - Apr 15^th, 2024 at 11:37am	Print Post
	Sounds like you're far more thorough than I am. I don't anneal new brass unless I've been told a certain brand has a reputation for being brittle. I do full length size, and then I trim one to fit my chamber, and trim all others to match. After firing I just neck size only and continue that way. I don't anneal brass again that are only loaded for smokeless in my old single shot rifles. I've never lost any to splitting or separations after a lot of reloads, so no reason to anneal again.

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SchwartzStock Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1011 Location: SchwarzWald Joined: Mar 23^rd, 2010	Re: Processing new brass Reply #3 - Apr 15^th, 2024 at 1:51pm	Print Post
	With the cost of the oddball cases I shoot I always anneal new ones before the first loading. If I am getting blow-by (with BP) I anneal since the case has obviously work hardened and is not expanded the seal the chamber. For NC, i don't often anneal the cases except with those known to be hard like Sellier & Bellot. If I don't anneal those I am sure to get split necks on the first sizing.

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TomKlinger Junior Member Offline Posts: 58 Joined: Feb 17^th, 2019	Re: Processing new brass Reply #4 - Apr 16^th, 2024 at 5:55am	Print Post
	Doesn’t anybody uniform the primer pockets and de burr the flash holes on new brass? Tom Klinger


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Bluedog Participating Member Online Posts: 13 Joined: Jan 14^th, 2024	Re: Processing new brass Reply #5 - Apr 16^th, 2024 at 9:12am	Print Post
	Thank you for the replies! And Tom, yes, I forgot those steps in the list I certainly do anyway Jason


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jhm Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1234 Location: georgia Joined: Sep 4^th, 2011	Re: Processing new brass Reply #6 - Apr 16^th, 2024 at 1:13pm	Print Post
	That pretty much wraps it up... JMH


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Snuffy Participating Member Offline Posts: 12 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2024	Re: Processing new brass Reply #7 - Apr 16^th, 2024 at 8:57pm	Print Post
	Is there any real need/advantage to annealing straight wall cases like 45-70?


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15750 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Processing new brass Reply #8 - Apr 16^th, 2024 at 10:39pm	Print Post
	Snuffy wrote on Apr 16^th, 2024 at 8:57pm: Is there any real need/advantage to annealing straight wall cases like 45-70? If you shoot them with black powder there is. But if you're loading smokeless I've never annealed them.

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gnoahhh Oldtimer Offline Posts: 751 Location: Annapolis, MD Joined: Mar 31^st, 2010	Re: Processing new brass Reply #9 - Apr 16^th, 2024 at 11:10pm	Print Post
	In the same vein, how raggedy do y'all let your brass get when breech seating before consigning it to the circular file or "reconditioning" it? I tend to push it past it's sell-by date and gotta break myself of that habit. God knows I have enough virgin .32-40 brass to not be so miserly.....


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38_Cal Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2240 Location: Montezuma, Iowa Joined: Apr 27^th, 2005	Re: Processing new brass Reply #10 - Apr 17^th, 2024 at 3:40pm	Print Post
	About every ten or so loadings, I'll run it through the case tumbler. If it fails to chamber easily, I'll tumble, then size and trim if needed. I'll pitch a case if it neck cracks or the primer pocket gets very loose. No idea how many times some of my brass has been loaded. Cartridges I shoot are 32-40, 25-20wcf, 32-20.
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	David Kaiser Montezuma, IA
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Bluedog Participating Member Online Posts: 13 Joined: Jan 14^th, 2024	Re: Processing new brass Reply #11 - Apr 18^th, 2024 at 8:13am	Print Post
	You guys that are breech seating a single piece of brass, are you cleaning the “fouling” out of the case each shot? I use unique powder in the small cartridges and would like to get into breech seating Jason


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38_Cal Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2240 Location: Montezuma, Iowa Joined: Apr 27^th, 2005	Re: Processing new brass Reply #12 - Apr 18^th, 2024 at 10:10am	Print Post
	I breech seat with smokeless powders, the only cleaning I do is to the primer pocket to get uniform seating of the new primer.

	David Kaiser Montezuma, IA
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RJ-35-40 Full Member Offline Posts: 138 Joined: Dec 7^th, 2016	Re: Processing new brass Reply #13 - Apr 21^st, 2024 at 3:02pm	Print Post
	RE: "I have enough virgin .32-40 brass to not be so miserly....." I'm pretty sure our family blood lines cross somewhere. would it be possible to mention my name in your will. I'll be happy to do the same for you... . gnoahhh wrote on Apr 16^th, 2024 at 11:10pm: In the same vein, how raggedy do y'all let your brass get when breech seating before consigning it to the circular file or "reconditioning" it? I tend to push it past it's sell-by date and gotta break myself of that habit. God knows I have enough virgin .32-40 brass to not be so miserly.....


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