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Re: F/S Stevens Model 47 Action (Reduced Again)
Reply #15 - Apr 16th, 2024 at 6:24pm
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uscra112 wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 3:19pm:
The lugged hammer was supplied only for .32-40 and .38-55 chamberings, so this action was one or the other when new.  Rational smokeless loads for plain base cast bullets will be fine.


So black powder 38-55 can be used?  Or is it just too much for this action?

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Re: F/S Stevens Model 47 Action (Reduced Again)
Reply #16 - Apr 16th, 2024 at 7:25pm
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Yes.  Recent .38-55 pressure test gave about 12,500 psi with modern black powder.  The real limitation is not pressure but breech thrust.  Pressure x internal base area.  12.5kpsi gives about 1550 pounds force (lbf) which the lugged hammer action can handle. 

The weak point in the 44 action is the link in the toggle mechanism.  The geometry subjects it to about 70% of the direct breech thrust, which an awful lot for those tiny pins and a link which is just mild steel, case hardened.  The battering causes the holes to open up, and the lockup (not to mention headspace) goes to pot.  The lug on the hammer is there to transfer that force to the hammer axle, which is a little more able to take the load.  Without the lug, about 1000 lbf. is the limit, if you want a reasonable service life from the action.  More won't blow anything up, it just loosens up the linkage, and the looser it gets, the faster it gets loose.
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Re: F/S Stevens Model 47 Action (Reduced Again)
Reply #17 - Apr 17th, 2024 at 1:00pm
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uscra112 wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 7:25pm:
Yes.  Recent .38-55 pressure test gave about 12,500 psi with modern black powder.  The real limitation is not pressure but breech thrust.  Pressure x internal base area.  12.5kpsi gives about 1550 pounds force (lbf) which the lugged hammer action can handle. 

The weak point in the 44 action is the link in the toggle mechanism.  The geometry subjects it to about 70% of the direct breech thrust, which an awful lot for those tiny pins and a link which is just mild steel, case hardened.  The battering causes the holes to open up, and the lockup (not to mention headspace) goes to pot.  The lug on the hammer is there to transfer that force to the hammer axle, which is a little more able to take the load.  Without the lug, about 1000 lbf. is the limit, if you want a reasonable service life from the action.  More won't blow anything up, it just loosens up the linkage, and the looser it gets, the faster it gets loose.


Good info, thanks!

Jerry
  
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Re: F/S Stevens Model 47 Action (Reduced Again)
Reply #18 - Apr 18th, 2024 at 8:40pm
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uscra112, You have provided very knowledgable comments.   

In the late 1970s or early 80s, there was a gunsmith that was producing heavier duty/stronger link pins.  I beliebe they were slightly larger diameter and high strength steel and not a 2 piece pin.   

At that time, I had a Stevens 44 and thought about sending it to him to upgrade.  However, I traded that rifle before sending.
  

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Re: F/S Stevens Model 47 Action (Reduced Again)
Reply #19 - Apr 18th, 2024 at 9:05pm
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I've been using 5mm hardened steel dowel pins for several years, and have a writeup on how to do it.  Only drawback is that they come in packs of 50.  I've been distributing them gratis pro Deo from my inventory to anybody who asks, and I may have to order more.   

Two piece?  I think you must mean the lever and breechblock pivots, not the link pins.   

It would be wonderful if somebody with CNC were to make links out of 4130 pre-hard or some such.  I've done it on a manual mill, but it's too much time and trouble to do it commercially.   

4mm dowels do it for Favorites, BTW.   The link for the 1915 Favorite isn't so hard to make on a manual mill.
  

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