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Feb 21st, 2024 at 9:52pm
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  I recently acquired this rifle and am having a hard time finding info on exactly what I have here. Rifle is chambered in 40-85 and seems to be all original other than the sights.

  In all my browsing I have not found pictures of any other Pacifics with the pistol grip stock or the octagon / round barrel. The stock, fore end, butt plate and barrel are all serialed to receiver so as far as I can tell this is factory configuration.

   Any info greatly appreciated.  Thanks , Denny





  
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Reply #1 - Feb 21st, 2024 at 11:56pm
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Others on this forum with more knowledge than me about Ballard rifles will be able to share more information than I can.

I will say that pistol grip Ballard Pacific rifles are known to exist, but are far from common. I don't know that I've seen a part round part octagon Pacific barrel.

Looking forward to what the experts have to say.

I think it's a very unusual rifle with all matching serial numbers.
  

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Reply #2 - Feb 22nd, 2024 at 12:10am
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Like Jerry said a Pacific with a pistol grip is pretty rare. But a Pacific with a half octagon barrel is something I've never seen in 40 years collecting Ballard rifles. 
My first reaction was "is this for real?" until you said it's all matching numbers. It's a very unusual, and possibly one of a kind Pacific.
Not doubting, but I'd love to see more pictures of the half octagon barrel, and the transition from octagon to round area to ensure it wasn't turned later. Of course I'd love to see more closeup pictures of all parts of this unique Ballard!
One thing I think I see is the thimbles for the wiping rod that appear to be color cased. That's only the 3rd time I've seen a Pacific in nice enough shape to still have color case on the thimbles. Pretty neat to see that! This is my Pacific with color cased thimbles:

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Reply #3 - Feb 22nd, 2024 at 7:56am
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I will try to get more pics up this evening. Barrel measures 1.040 diameter on octagon end and tapers to .900 at the muzzle. My thought is that if it was turned afterwards it would not have been enough to eliminate the dovetails for sights and thimbles. All dovetails look to be full depth and correct width at the top. 

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Reply #4 - Feb 22nd, 2024 at 9:52am
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Nice clean gun !
  

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Reply #5 - Feb 22nd, 2024 at 10:31am
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Skalkaho wrote on Feb 22nd, 2024 at 9:52am:
Nice clean gun !



  Thank you, I thought it was pretty sweet for a pawn shop find.
  
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Reply #6 - Feb 22nd, 2024 at 10:47am
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val, i had the gun in my shop this past weekend and put the sights on it for him and his son to shoot. the gun is 100% correct except for my sights. i was concerned about the 1/2 round bbl but it is right. i have seen 1 or maybe 2 others, but not many.when i first heard about this gun i called john dutcher and he said this was the 4th pistol grip pacific.i tried to buy it but he said they were gonna keep it and shoot it. the gun is in very good shape and a near new bore.  it looks a lot better than the pictures show  tony<><
  
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Reply #7 - Feb 22nd, 2024 at 11:03am
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ssrifles wrote on Feb 22nd, 2024 at 10:47am:
val, i had the gun in my shop this past weekend and put the sights on it for him and his son to shoot. the gun is 100% correct except for my sights. i was concerned about the 1/2 round bbl but it is right. i have seen 1 or maybe 2 others, but not many.when i first heard about this gun i called john dutcher and he said this was the 4th pistol grip pacific.i tried to buy it but he said they were gonna keep it and shoot it. the gun is in very good shape and a near new bore.  it looks a lot better than the pictures show  tony<><


Thanks Tony. I have seen others with PG receivers/stocks, but never a half octagon barrel. A friend of mine owned a PG Pacific with Browning Bros. rollstamp on the barrel, but accidentally sold it at Denver years ago. He had a memory lapse and told me he had two of them. I tried to argue he didn't, but he sold it, and when we got home he was heart broken when he realized I was right.
  

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Reply #8 - Feb 22nd, 2024 at 2:15pm
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I can't imagine the pain he must have gone through. My God, that would be worse than accidentally selling one of your children.  Undecided
  

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Reply #9 - Feb 22nd, 2024 at 4:50pm
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i have seen 1 maybe 2 that were correct factory 1/2 oct and several that were not.  i had a 38-55 years ago and did not realize how rare it was.  education can be expensive but i learn.   tony<><
  
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westerner wrote on Feb 22nd, 2024 at 2:15pm:
I can't imagine the pain he must have gone through. My God, that would be worse than accidentally selling one of your children.  Undecided


Yeah, unfortunately we didn't realize at that time he had early stages of dimentia that has gotten worse since then. Wasn't until a few years later that he couldn't drive anymore because he got lost, or confused. He still comes to our collector shows, but just to look around. Last month he left his hat and coffee mug on my table, and I couldn't find him later to give them back. Had to take them home to him and he kinda laughed about leaving them.
We always had tables together, and traveled to all the gun shows together. Sad to see what's happening.
  

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Reply #11 - Apr 12th, 2024 at 5:48pm
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I have a Ballard Rifle and Cartridge Co replica of the Pacific in 45-110 with a 15lb barrel.  It is quite something.  I'd love to have an original!  Beautiful rifle.
  
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Reply #12 - Apr 13th, 2024 at 10:17am
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Fosjam , maybe you could start a new thread and post some pictures of it? I am sure everyone would like to see it.
  
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