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silver Full Member Online Posts: 174 Location: Central wi, Joined: Sep 20^th, 2016	Ladle for lead Feb 15^th, 2024 at 9:53am	Print Post
	Anyone ever use Rowell bottom pour ladle for casting With bullet molds . Wondering how that would work With ladle not being tight to sprue plate.


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JerryH Frequent Elocutionist Offline ASSRA Member #10876 Posts: 1205 Location: Easton, CA Joined: Nov 9^th, 2014	Re: Ladle for lead Reply #1 - Feb 15^th, 2024 at 11:51am	Print Post
	A friend gave me one many years ago. I used it two or three times and went back to my RCBS ladle.

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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 2496 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: Ladle for lead Reply #2 - Feb 15^th, 2024 at 12:23pm	Print Post
	I have never been able to get good base fill out without having the spout against the sprue plate hole. I prefer the Lyman dipper but use the larger capacity RCBS for 45 caliber bullets Being an unabashed dipper banger I will admit I fractured my original Lyman dipper but it lasted for tens of thousands of bullets. Jack

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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3758 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Ladle for lead Reply #3 - Feb 15^th, 2024 at 12:52pm	Print Post
	Only place I ever found a place for mine was for a 4-gang pistol mould.


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rgchristensen Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1062 Joined: Jan 2^nd, 2014	Re: Ladle for lead Reply #4 - Feb 15^th, 2024 at 1:58pm	Print Post
	I've tried several kinds of dippers over the past 70 years, but the best-conceived and handiest one is still the old classic Ideal dipper. Adequate capacity, light weight, no excessive bulk, etc. I've accidentally acquired some other brands, but never found one handier than the Lyman/Ideal dippers. CHRIS


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Jeff_Schultz ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 1562 Location: Ransomville, NY Joined: Apr 25^th, 2004	Re: Ladle for lead Reply #5 - Feb 15^th, 2024 at 4:37pm	Print Post
	If you try an RCBS dipper you will never go back to the Lyman.

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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3758 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Ladle for lead Reply #6 - Feb 15^th, 2024 at 5:41pm	Print Post
	I had problems with the RCBS dipper. The casting was too rough and the keel would hang up on the mould. Had to grind off the keel and file down the spout to fit the moulds. The very finest dippers are the old Lymans that were eggshell thin and smooth as a you know what. You do need the later Lymans to hold enough lead to cast good 500 plus grain bullets.


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texasmac Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1866 Location: Central Texas Joined: Aug 16^th, 2004	Re: Ladle for lead Reply #7 - Feb 15^th, 2024 at 11:34pm	Print Post
	The following is from an article I wrote & published a little over a year ago. ============== There are many styles of ladles but all are either bottom pour or side-pour designs. Some are very effective at separating dross from the alloy being poured into the mould, others are not. The Lee side-pour ladle and similar basic spoon designs do not separate the dross. The Rowell style comes in several dipper sizes. It’s called a bottom pour but is actually a side-pour design that captures the dross-free lead from the bottom of the ladle and feeds it through a tunnel to one side. The spoon and Rowell styles do not create any significant “head pressure”. Having struggled casting acceptable quality bullets with both the Lee and Rowel-style ladles I gave up on both for a bottom pour design. Although I use an RCBS ladle the Lyman ladle is very similar and should work equally as well. When the ladle and mould are turned after mating, the bottom pour ensures the alloy does not contain dross since it floats on top. The unique design that I like about the RCBS ladle is the long flange along the back that’s convenient for moving the dross in the pot out of the way prior to dipping the ladle. ==================== The only time I use the Rowel-style is when transfering lead from the pot to an ingot mould. Wayne

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beltfed Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1725 Location: Central Wi Joined: Dec 20^th, 2007	Re: Ladle for lead Reply #8 - Feb 16^th, 2024 at 11:03am	Print Post
	I, to have tried others, but still like the Lyman ladle best. beltfed/arnie


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Kurt_701 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1006 Location: Missouri Joined: May 20^th, 2004	Re: Ladle for lead Reply #9 - Feb 16^th, 2024 at 2:26pm	Print Post
	I have three & the Lyman is the winner.

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silver Full Member Online Posts: 174 Location: Central wi, Joined: Sep 20^th, 2016	Re: Ladle for lead Reply #10 - Feb 17^th, 2024 at 4:29pm	Print Post
	Thanks for all the replies. I to have been using Lyman but just wanted to make sure I wasn’t missing out on something.


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Joe_S Oldtimer Offline Posts: 986 Joined: Jun 29^th, 2004	Re: Ladle for lead Reply #11 - Feb 17^th, 2024 at 8:04pm	Print Post
	Rowell ladles can make good bullets if your mold doesn’t require a”pressure “ pour They are great for mixing alloys cleaning and fluxing lead Joe s


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mes Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 487 Location: Van Dyne, Wisconsin Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: Ladle for lead Reply #12 - Feb 18^th, 2024 at 11:12am	Print Post
	I have use the Lyman dipper and to get good bullets you fill the mold and then run the rest of the dipper full of lead over the sprue hole until empty. Messy but effective. I have a rowell (sp)but have only used it once. Very unhandy. Marty

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RJE Participating Member Offline Posts: 10 Location: 82835 Joined: May 15^th, 2023	Re: Ladle for lead Reply #13 - Mar 6^th, 2024 at 9:17pm	Print Post
	Tried one and went back to lyman or RCBS


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elfego baca Participating Member Offline Posts: 12 Location: Turnipseed creek Idaho Joined: Oct 24^th, 2011	Re: Ladle for lead Reply #14 - Mar 7^th, 2024 at 2:34am	Print Post
	I do well with a bottom Lee Production Pot for all of my molds- single, double , triple, four, and six cavity.


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Mal Full Member Offline Posts: 215 Location: Adelaide SOUTH AUSTRALIA Joined: Dec 5^th, 2012	Re: Ladle for lead Reply #15 - Mar 7^th, 2024 at 4:40pm	Print Post
	I make mine out of used CO2 canisters ,drill out the spout to desired size, grind out a cavity toward the rear, add a handle,they work very well. Cant post pic from my iPad ,can send them via email if req. cheers Mal in au.


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Cat_Whisperer Frequent Elocutionist Offline No 1, 9.3x74R Posts: 3857 Location: Mountains of Virginia Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: Ladle for lead Reply #16 - Mar 12^th, 2024 at 9:27am	Print Post
	Mal wrote on Mar 7^th, 2024 at 4:40pm: I make mine out of used CO2 canisters ,drill out the spout to desired size, grind out a cavity toward the rear, add a handle,they work very well. Cant post pic from my iPad ,can send them via email if req. cheers Mal in au. EXCELLENT! One could also add a baffle to make it a Rowell style to stop the crud off the top. Drilling the spout? YES! I've opened up both the Lyman/Ideal and the RCBS greater flow rate for the larger bullets.

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Schuetzendave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Retired Ex-Shooter Posts: 3957 Location: St. Albert, Alberta Joined: Jan 28^th, 2005	Re: Ladle for lead Reply #17 - Mar 13^th, 2024 at 9:31am	Print Post
	Tried the RCBS and went back to the Lyman which has successfuly poured thousands of bullets for me over the decades. The RCBS nose spout never fit my sprue plates very well. Could be the mould makers designed their sprue plates to fit the most prevalent dipper being used.


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rgchristensen Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1062 Joined: Jan 2^nd, 2014	Re: Ladle for lead Reply #18 - Mar 13^th, 2024 at 10:37am	Print Post
	Turn a conical recess in a piece of brass rod, put some abrasive compound in the recess, and run it in the drill press at a low speed. Oscillate the nose of the dipper spout in that, and it will grind it to a spherical surface, eliminating leakage when it is engaged with the mould. When you tip it away from the mould, pour an ample puddle on the sprue plate to keep the plate the hottest part of the mould. Test your technique by placing a bullet just below center in a vise, and pare off lead 'til you reach the center, to see if there is a void. CHRIS


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