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Any proven Alliant 2400 loads available for 32-40
Jan 4th, 2024 at 10:18pm
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Hello, first post.
I've read that some have seen good results reloading 32-40's with alliant 2400 and was wondering if anyone could provide some loads that I can try in a rolling block which is a resent purchase.
A little back grond on the rifle;
32" barrel that slugs .323 groove / .321 bore.
Some may recognize the rifle, I believe it came from Jim Westberg's collection.
What's the maximum .32 cal  bullet weight that Alliant 2400 can push ?  I have 321 232  and 321 297 moulds. 
Any breech seating loads are appreciated too.
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Re: Any proven Alliant 2400 loads available for 32-40
Reply #1 - Jan 5th, 2024 at 2:29am
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To begin with, you have to get a better measurement of the bore and groove. If your bore and groove are .321 x .323, you only have .001 deep grooves and I don't think any lead bullet will work.

The bore should be ~.315 or smaller.

To know what bullet will work best, we are going to have to have the twist rate. It should be 16 or faster. But, a 16 twist will stabilize either of the Lyman molds you have.
  

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Reply #2 - Jan 5th, 2024 at 5:33am
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Thanks, 
Guess I didn't proof read that post !!
The bore is .318 and grooves are .321, rhe mold is casting .323.
Twist is 16"

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Reply #3 - Jan 5th, 2024 at 12:20pm
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That's still very shallow rifling @ .0015. May I ask how you measured the bore?

As far as a "proven" 2400 load goes, it won't be a "match" quality load as I don't know of anyone that shoots 2400 in matches. I would offer a load of 10-12 gr fixed, to be in the velocity range of match loads.

A well proven match load but, not necessarily a winning load today, would be 14 gr of 4227, half to one gr less fixed.
  

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Reply #4 - Jan 5th, 2024 at 7:40pm
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Thanks again,
I slugged the barrel with a .323 cast bullet which probably isn't the most accurate way to go but it seemed  to work.

I have a larger supply of Alliant 2400 than 4227 on hand so I'm  looking for an accurate load with 2400 for sighting in and save the 4227 for when I'm dialed in.

What powders would you recommend for match loads ?

I appreciate your knowledge,

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Reply #5 - Jan 5th, 2024 at 9:01pm
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I might assume that Alliant 2400 is the same burn rate or similar to the old 2400? If so, I've loaded 2400 for decades and have several loads for the .32-40 using both 170 gr. and 185 gr. bullets.
My data came from the old Ideal manuals, and chronograph readings in my Ballard rifles show the data is very close to the manual.

I use 11.0 grs. 2400 with the 185 gr. bullet for 1250 fps. A nice mild load.
I use 12.0 grs. 2400 with the 170 gr. bullet for 1350 fps. The manual shows max load is 14.0 grs. with the 170 gr. bullet at 1600 fps.

You probably need a pin gauge down the barrel to get a decent bore diameter reading. Your slug looks deeper than the rifling depth you suggest.
  

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Reply #6 - Jan 5th, 2024 at 11:11pm
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Thanks marlinguy, can I ask what primers you use with these loads ?

I will recheck the bore with a pin gauge.

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Reply #7 - Jan 5th, 2024 at 11:35pm
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Do the lands and grooves happen to be odd numbered?

That will play with your measurements.
  
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Regarding primers, in the case of 4227, it isn't sensitive to primers. I mostly used LP but, I have also used LR and couldn't tell any difference.

I don't think that 2400 is primer sensitive either but, most pistol data use LP.

Another good powder is 296/H110, 13-13.5 and 1/2 to 1 gr less for fixed.
  

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Reply #9 - Jan 6th, 2024 at 8:39am
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Frnkeore,
Thanks for this info, I wasn't sure if I could use Lg. Pistol primers or not due to conflicting info on the web.

It's a 6 groove bore but with narrow lands @.040, so a little hard to get an accurate measurement being they're on the shallow side.

Your comments and suggestions are much appreciated.

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Reply #10 - Jan 6th, 2024 at 11:07am
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For many decades I used CCI because they were readily available and my local discount store had them on sale often. But as primers got tougher to find, or my local seller changed brands I also changed brands. I've used Winchester and Remington with the same charges and see no difference in accuracy with the same loads.
  

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Reply #11 - Jan 6th, 2024 at 11:29am
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From the photo of the bullet I bet you’re measuring at the heel and no way that is correct as one can see the taper of the riflings. Drive the bullet through the barrel and out the muzzle then measure the impression for a more accurate bore number. As for the powder 2400 will shoot somewhat OK but 4227 will beat it any day for match accuracy. Good luck on your endeavors.
  
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Reply #12 - Jan 6th, 2024 at 12:37pm
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I pushed the slug through from the muzzle. I tried breech seating and driving through from the breech but it's too busy around the receiver to be swinging a mallet.

I may try a softer piece of lead if I can't locate a small pin gauge. My snap gauges are too wide.

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Reply #13 - Jan 6th, 2024 at 1:05pm
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Pushing a slug through the entire length of a barrel works, but rarely have I found a bore tighter anyplace else than it is near the muzzle. Long ago I tried this theory out by slugging barrels from the muzzle in about 2", and then the chamber in 2". Then slugged the complete length.
Since most bores tend to have a slight choke near the muzzle during the rifling process I found the tightest measurements at the muzzle. So I no longer slug the whole length, or slug from the chamber. I do a chamber cast to see chamber and a little bore, and then slug into the muzzle a couple inches. This gets me all I need to know about a bore.
  

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Reply #14 - Jan 6th, 2024 at 2:07pm
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Understood,
I did noticed some choking about six inches from the muzzle and thought it may have been from muzzle erosion so I decided to drive the slug through, glad to hear that a slight choke is common,
I appreciate the education !!
  
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Reply #15 - Jan 6th, 2024 at 3:06pm
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marlinguy,
Do you recall the recipe you used in the Gove under lever for the 300yd shots in the Sagebrush  Longshots video ?

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Reply #16 - Jan 6th, 2024 at 5:46pm
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Ratedspeed wrote on Jan 6th, 2024 at 3:06pm:
marlinguy,
Do you recall the recipe you used in the Gove under lever for the 300yd shots in the Sagebrush  Longshots video ?

Mike


That is 400 yds. to the gong I was shooting at, and it was 12 grs. of 2400, with a 170 gr. bullet.
  

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Reply #17 - Jan 6th, 2024 at 7:05pm
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Excellent !!
Did you use any type of filler or wad over the powder and was the 2400 the old hercules or the modern Alliant.
Lastly, was that with pistol or LR primers ?

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Reply #18 - Jan 7th, 2024 at 10:22am
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I never use fillers or anything over powder with my smokeless loads. My rifle loads all use rifle primers. Pistol primers wont sit the same depth and depending on firing pin protrusion can cause misfires in some guns.
  

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Reply #19 - Jan 7th, 2024 at 3:33pm
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Thanks marlinguy, once again I appreciate the info.

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Reply #20 - Mar 19th, 2024 at 8:49pm
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I have a modified Martini  Henry action with a heavy BRC .32 barrel . I have a 100 yard target with 4 shots in one ragged hole and the fifth shot about 1/2 inch out. Thirteen grains 2400 and a checked Lee 8mm bullet with LLA lube with some JPW added.  I have an old Weaver K10 scope on the rifle .
  
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