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Dec 29th, 2023 at 4:46pm
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I am considering the purchase of a percussion Sharps rifle
Before I do I would like to learn the process of nitrating paper.   As I understand it nitrated paper will be consumed with the shot so there will be nothing left in the chamber or barrel that could cause problems for consecutive shots.   Does anyone here have a procedure for nitrating paper ?
  
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Reply #1 - Dec 29th, 2023 at 6:39pm
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The procedure is to dip paper in a boiling saturated solution of potassium nitrate, pull it out, let the lower edge drip until it stops, and hang it up to dry.  Cut the cartridge strips out after the paper has dried completely.

I haven't seen that this procedure was worth the time and trouble spent.  The nitrated paper still left glowing embers in the chamber after every shot that I had to push out as I wiped the bore.  It also felt kind of "crunchy" and left crystals on the surfaces where I cut it and rolled the cartridges.  Oxidizing salts are something that needs to be cleaned up ASAP.

The thin papers women use to curl their hair (sold at Sally Beauty Supply down here) have a smaller chance of leaving smoldering paper in the chamber, and I didn't have to nitrate them.

Admittedly, though, I'm still an amateur at this.  I've read no records of Berdan's Sharpshooters or other percussion Sharps users during the Civil War having this problem, so I imagine I still have some "management" techniques to learn.

There's a lot of stuff about loading and shooting percussion Sharps rifles on the NSSA and Shiloh websites.
  
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Reply #2 - Dec 29th, 2023 at 7:08pm
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I believe I saw a couple 63 Shiloh’s on the Lock, Stock and Barrel gunbroker auction.
  

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Reply #3 - Dec 29th, 2023 at 7:32pm
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In the Sharps collectors association magazine published tri annually, Over the past couple of years Mr. William P Mapoles and Michael Murray have been shooting various original Sharps Percussion rifles and carbines. Using various bullets and powders. Also paper and Linen for powder and found nitrating was not originally used and served no purpose in their tests. If you can find any of these magazines they are a great fountain of knowledge on the subject.
Short no need to nitrate and fine linen as used later by Sharps is best.  Hope this helps.
  
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Reply #4 - Dec 29th, 2023 at 8:49pm
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"eras gone" Mark Hubbs has a YouTube deal on it.he used stump remover to nitrate his paper.
  
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Reply #5 - Dec 30th, 2023 at 9:58am
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bullshop wrote on Dec 29th, 2023 at 4:46pm:
I am considering the purchase of a percussion Sharps rifle
Before I do I would like to learn the process of nitrating paper.   As I understand it nitrated paper will be consumed with the shot so there will be nothing left in the chamber or barrel that could cause problems for consecutive shots.   Does anyone here have a procedure for nitrating paper ?



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Reply #6 - Dec 30th, 2023 at 10:03am
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Back when I was lost down the rabbit hole of cap&ball revolver shooting I made my tapered paper cartridges out of Japanese rice paper. Reason: I felt that the porous nature of it aided ignition. Whether I was right or not I don't know but they went off with alacrity and the paper was consumed entirely. I don't recall encountering smoldering embers and I generally reloaded as soon as the guns were empty.

My protocol was to soak the paper in a hot supersaturated solution of saltpetre in water. I had a clothesline strung across my basement upon which to dry my "paper laundry".
  
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Reply #7 - Dec 30th, 2023 at 10:05am
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I have had a Pedersoli 1859 Sharps for 10 years and have never nitrated paper.
I have used Charlie Hahns tubes and about everything in between.  It is a fun rifle to experiment with as far as how you load it.  My latest loadings has been with starched linen cartridges.  They seem to disappear quit nicely from the chamber.  I have done the curler paper but if shooting rapid fire I worried that they paper being so thin a lingering burning ember  could easily burn thru the cartridge and set it off before you closed the breech.  Here is a video on using linen cartridges.
 
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Reply #8 - Dec 30th, 2023 at 11:41am
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Early on I used newspaper and subway sandwich wrappers for my paper cartridges.    They get pretty well consumed and blown out the muzzle.   However, I much prefer nitrated paper because the cartridges are a lot more riiged than the previously mentioned papers.   There are some brands of stump remover that are almost pure potassium nitrate and I make a saturated solution with that.   I don't bother with boiling the solution, just soak the papers in a flat plactic container with about an inch or so of solution in it.  I made 2 quarts of solution 5 or 6 years ago and am still using it.   I soak the paper then hang it up to dry.

I make my cartridges to chamber length with bullet and plug the base with a disc of  cigerette paper.   I use these in both my Shiloh infantry rifle and an original carbine.

I've always used the Lyman 54 caliber hollow base bullet.  Started using that because I had the mould.  It worked so well that I never bothered with getting a specific mould for the paper cartridges.   One real advantage of the minie is that the grease grooves are covered with paper so the lube isn't exposed to pick up grime.

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Reply #9 - Dec 30th, 2023 at 12:08pm
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Chris Christensen showed me how he constructs and shoots paper cartridges for his French Chassepot needle gun last fall. Perhaps those protocols have an application here?
  
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never shot any, or heard of others doing so, but in the old days some cartridge makers used foil for the envelopes. I once owned two packets of these, but never broke the string to inspect the interior items. They were for .44 revolvers. Makes me doubt the need for nitrated envelopes.
  
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Reply #11 - Dec 30th, 2023 at 4:03pm
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gnoahhh wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 12:08pm:
Chris Christensen showed me how he constructs and shoots paper cartridges for his French Chassepot needle gun last fall. Perhaps those protocols have an application here?


GARY:
Doubt it....  The Chassepot system was designed to blow EVERYTHING out the muzzle.
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Reply #12 - Dec 30th, 2023 at 7:30pm
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gnoahhh wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 12:08pm:
Chris Christensen showed me how he constructs and shoots paper cartridges for his French Chassepot needle gun last fall. Perhaps those protocols have an application here?

Yes Sir they do and I would like to hear them
  
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