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Oct 30th, 2023 at 3:02pm
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My friend bought this Stevens and wondered what model it is? Any help appreciated. Thanks
  
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Reply #3 - Oct 30th, 2023 at 3:33pm
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Pretty sure that’s a Model 55 Favorite. Ladies model 

Nice rifle, not too many around, plus condition
  
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Reply #4 - Oct 30th, 2023 at 5:17pm
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Concur, except that the buttplate is not what they show in the catalog.  Which may not mean much, it being Stevens.  Heck of a find.
  

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Reply #5 - Oct 30th, 2023 at 5:28pm
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Any ideas from catalogs when adjusting nut was being made? Thanks
  
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Reply #6 - Oct 30th, 2023 at 5:32pm
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For all the research I've done, the answer to that question has eluded me.
  

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Reply #7 - Oct 30th, 2023 at 8:50pm
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I hate being a contrarian but something looks off, on the top tang.  It appears to hump up from the rear of the frame and bent down from there.  I have a couple pictures of favorite ladies rifles, one is Tom Rowe’s that is suppose to be a model 21. The other gun, I have no idea what model it is, but is very nice. Both have straight top tangs.  I would never claim expert status on a Favorite, these are just my observations and maybe it’s just the way the picture was taken.
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Reply #8 - Oct 30th, 2023 at 10:29pm
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I noticed the bent top tang also Bob. To me it looks like a customized favorite, not factory. Of course I could be wrong,  but I don't think so.
  
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Reply #9 - Oct 31st, 2023 at 12:53am
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Just looking again at my 1903 reprint cattledog, the Model 55 text says a shotgun buttplate was optional.  OTOH the cut does not show the ringed takedown screw typical of Favorites in that timeframe, which this one has.  I took that "hump" to be just a trick of the light.....better photos needed.   

I was kinda hoping to hear that it was chambered for the .22 centerfire - the only instance I know of where the factory did anything but the traditional rimfires on a Favorite frame.  That would have made it REALLY rare.
  

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Reply #10 - Oct 31st, 2023 at 2:15am
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CCH isn't conventional Stevens, is it? 

Wrong colors and stripes, unless they did something later I don't know of.

I don't see where any other light or angle, will straighten that top tang.
  

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Reply #11 - Oct 31st, 2023 at 9:09am
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For the British market Stevens did center fire in the 1894 in some rook cartage. I have the but stock and action but no barrel and forearm.
  
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Reply #12 - Oct 31st, 2023 at 9:45am
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Whether original or not it's a very nice rifle.
  
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Reply #13 - Oct 31st, 2023 at 11:50am
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Sure shot wrote on Oct 31st, 2023 at 9:45am:
Whether original or not it's a very nice rifle.


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Reply #14 - Oct 31st, 2023 at 11:58am
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Where model numbers stamp in different places, or any where, on the Favorite?  I see, on the gun Tom showed, the 21 is stamped to the front of the lower tang and the build, or other number, 219 is to the rear.  What are these numbers on this gun?
  

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Reply #15 - Oct 31st, 2023 at 12:04pm
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frnkeore wrote on Oct 31st, 2023 at 2:15am:
CCH isn't conventional Stevens, is it? 

Wrong colors and stripes, unless they did something later I don't know of.

I don't see where any other light or angle, will straighten that top tang.


I have nothing but intuition to go on, but it seems to me that by the time the 6 o'clock extractor appeared, the frames were blued.  I don't recall that the catalogs say anything about it. But I could believe that a Model 55 might have been CCH, it being a premium model.  The angle of the stripes looks different from Model 44s, but that might just be a difference in how the frame was oriented when it went into the tank.   
  

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Reply #16 - Oct 31st, 2023 at 12:09pm
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Just looking at reproduction buttplate, and I understand this is not definitive, but N.C. Ordinance shows what appears to be this exact same plate for a 44 1/2 English model.  

The case hardening does look different but I attributed it to possibly being age related wear.  Seems I’ve seen some guns with that look in the past.
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Reply #17 - Oct 31st, 2023 at 1:03pm
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At least some 44 1/2 404's have this buttplate.
  

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Reply #18 - Oct 31st, 2023 at 1:25pm
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The angle of the stripes looks different from Model 44s, but that might just be a difference in how the frame was oriented when it went into the tank.   


The CCH, itself doesn't look like Stevens.I can see no reds at all.

I believe Stevens hung their frames and immersed them in a cyanide bath, that looks more like a pack harden colors with irregular strips. It looks like it was dipped at one angle at the receiver and another angle at the tang.
  

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Reply #19 - Oct 31st, 2023 at 1:35pm
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Another clue: the forearm wood on a Model 55 is longer than a Favorite's, going by catalog illustrations.  This one does look like a Favorite forearm.   

So then I want to ask: Where did that buttstock come from?  It's a lot like a Model 47, but the Favorite frame has shorter tangs, so a 47 stock would have had to be shortened at the front by about 1/2 inch, throwing the lower contour out of whack.  It would also be too wide.  Ditto anything from an 044-1/2.
  

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Reply #20 - Oct 31st, 2023 at 4:41pm
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Reply #21 - Oct 31st, 2023 at 5:09pm
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How long is the barrel?
The elk head buttplate on the 044 1/2 is flat not curved, the buttplate on this rifle looks like an original plate rather than the reproduction. The reproduction ones do not have as fine detail as the original ones. The buttstock on a ladies favorite should have a perch belly and the bottom of the pistol grip should have an "S" curve.  The checkering on this rifle to me looks like factory Stevens. 
  
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Reply #22 - Oct 31st, 2023 at 8:29pm
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Sure shot wrote on Oct 31st, 2023 at 5:09pm:
The checkering on this rifle to me looks like factory Stevens. 


Does to me, too.  And as I posted earlier the profile looks a lot like a 47.   

17 would be a base model Favorite.   
  

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Reply #23 - Oct 31st, 2023 at 9:27pm
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Couple things, 
I also believe the buttplate is original, just not sure on this gun.  I showed the reproduction picture to bring attention to the possibility the plate could be from an English version gun.  I have heated plates to change the curve.  And, the wrist still has me wondering what’s going on.

As far as the case hardening goes, I think I see more color on the most recent picture from the front of the action.  Might just be lighting in the original pictures.
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Reply #24 - Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:35am
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Barrel is 22 inches
  
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Reply #25 - Nov 26th, 2023 at 9:08am
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If I remember correctly, the head-space-adjusting nut was a short-lived early-post-1900 feature that I'd be surprised to see on a factory Model 56.  Also, while there are plausible excuses for the non-characteristic case hardening pattern, the "bulged" upper tang makes no sense as factory work.  On the other hand, if the buttstock is new, perhaps reworking the upper tang was necessary to make the pistol grip (especially since its checkered) look right.

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Reply #26 - Dec 31st, 2023 at 3:25pm
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Definitely a Favorite take down , 22'' adjustable barrel w/center extractor , curved receiver 1901 to 1903.
The CCH looks to have been redone as well as the stock ,  could be a Ladies 21 just doesn't have the tang sight or front sight.
Almost any thing could have been done in the last 100 yrs.
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Reply #27 - Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:42pm
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I'm pretty sure that's someone's project gun.  The stock lines are all wrong for a Stevens.  Hump on top of the tang, dished out nose of comb, shape of the pistol grip, checkering...
The butt plate is from an 044 1/2 but notice the screws don't match.
But, my opinion is probably worth what you're paying for it.
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Reply #28 - Jan 1st, 2024 at 8:55am
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I personally think it's a fine looking rifle as-is. and I assume it's comfortable to shoulder.  However, I would like a tang sight on it, which I suppose could be done if the sight's base were reworked to fit.  Or if money were no object, I'd consider finding a Lyman No. 47, replacing the staff with a fine-threaded screw, (call it a Lyman "lollipop"), and rethreading the front tang screw hole to accommodate it.

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