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cuslog Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 263 Location: Calgary, Alberta Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Austrian / German Rifle Oct 11^th, 2023 at 6:00pm	Print Post
	Acquaintance brought me this rifle, I don't know much about it other than being Austrian made, not even sure of that. At first, I thought it was percussion but no, its an angled firing pin. It has a rather unique (to me anyway) built in, flip up aperture sight and double set triggers. Under side of the barrel is marked 11.5 and "450 Alaskan", 742.21 and some kind of a proof house crest. 29" barrel, bore / groove measure .439 / .457. I presume the 11.5 is the original metric groove dia. ? Current owner had it re-chambered to the 450 Alaskan, for ease of getting brass.


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11327 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Austrian / German Rifle Reply #1 - Oct 11^th, 2023 at 6:51pm	Print Post
	Neat! To bad about the chamber.

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jhm Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1234 Location: georgia Joined: Sep 4^th, 2011	Re: Austrian / German Rifle Reply #2 - Oct 11^th, 2023 at 8:44pm	Print Post
	He should have never done that. You can find or make brass for almost everything out there. That gun wasn't designed for such a round. Hope he doesn't pick it out of his teeth one day... JMH


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cuslog Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 263 Location: Calgary, Alberta Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: Austrian / German Rifle Reply #3 - Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:02pm	Print Post
	He casts his own bullets, shoots reduced loads.


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11327 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Austrian / German Rifle Reply #4 - Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:06pm	Print Post
	I really like that type and style of rifle. If I had one I might even go a hunting with it. I want it! Bad!!

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cuslog Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 263 Location: Calgary, Alberta Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: Austrian / German Rifle Reply #5 - Oct 12^th, 2023 at 10:54am	Print Post
	Owner is a local (to me) fellow of German heritage. He bought it off of some Austrian "gun trader" web site then went to the trouble of importing it into Canada. I really like the flip up aperture sight, integral to the action, fore end held on with one of those tapered cross pins (terminology escapes me ATM), double set triggers - the thing just drips with craftsmanship ! Owner does intend to take her hunting.


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chipmaker Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 324 Location: san diego Joined: Sep 24^th, 2007	Re: Austrian / German Rifle Reply #6 - Oct 12^th, 2023 at 11:42am	Print Post
	This style of rifle was and still is popular in Austria. I don't remember it's German name but it can be found, using a wide assortment of actions. It was a frequent style chosen by the Ferlach gunsmithing students as their rifle project and examples were made into this millennium. Attached are two Austrian examples. The top rifle is original and chambered for the the 8.15X46R cartridge. It uses a top lever action with two under-lugs. The bottom rifle came to the US with only the back end. It uses a Jones action. I made the front end and chambered it for 357 Mag/38 Sp. Otto


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SchwartzStock Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1011 Location: SchwarzWald Joined: Mar 23^rd, 2010	Re: Austrian / German Rifle Reply #7 - Oct 12^th, 2023 at 11:58am	Print Post
	chipmaker wrote on Oct 12^th, 2023 at 11:42am: This style of rifle was and still is popular in Austria. I don't remember it's German name but it can be found, using a wide assortment of actions. It was a frequent style chosen by the Ferlach gunsmithing students as their rifle project and examples were made into this millennium. Attached are two Austrian examples. The top rifle is original and chambered for the the 8.15X46R cartridge. It uses a top lever action with two under-lugs. The bottom rifle came to the US with only the back end. It uses a Jones action. I made the front end and chambered it for 357 Mag/38 Sp. Otto The upper one is a "Kipplaufhahnstutzen" the lower a "Kipplaufhahnbuechse" In the 1980's I drooled over a new one like the upper for 2+ years at the Frankonia store in Munich. Never could raise the money for it.
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gnoahhh Oldtimer Offline Posts: 750 Location: Annapolis, MD Joined: Mar 31^st, 2010	Re: Austrian / German Rifle Reply #8 - Oct 12^th, 2023 at 1:43pm	Print Post
	cuslog wrote on Oct 12^th, 2023 at 10:54am: I really like the flip up aperture sight, integral to the action That's not a tang sight. It's a flip up aperture through which you look at the barrel sights. It focuses the light, resulting in sharper sight image. Intended for when slow deliberate aiming is called for.


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gwahir Senior Forum Member Offline Ve gets too soon olt und too late shmart. Posts: 397 Location: montana Joined: Dec 31^st, 2005	Re: Austrian / German Rifle Reply #9 - Oct 12^th, 2023 at 8:08pm	Print Post
	Otto. Your making the front end really got my attention! It appear that you made a monoblock to fit the action and then adapted a octagon barrel to it! Righteous!


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SchwartzStock Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1011 Location: SchwarzWald Joined: Mar 23^rd, 2010	Re: Austrian / German Rifle Reply #10 - Oct 13^th, 2023 at 4:12am	Print Post
	Just happened on this today; a Nowotny Ischler Stutzen (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11327 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Austrian / German Rifle Reply #11 - Oct 13^th, 2023 at 9:55am	Print Post
	What page is it on? I went through eight but never found it.

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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2793 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: Austrian / German Rifle Reply #12 - Oct 13^th, 2023 at 12:16pm	Print Post
	jhm wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 8:44pm: He should have never done that. You can find or make brass for almost everything out there. That gun wasn't designed for such a round. Hope he doesn't pick it out of his teeth one day... JMH Amen! That is an "accident?" going somewhere to happen. Is there any way to undo it?


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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Austrian / German Rifle Reply #13 - Oct 13^th, 2023 at 12:27pm	Print Post
	The current owner is underloading his .450 Alaskan rounds. But who knows what someone in the future will try to shoot. So my first question is could the chamber be sleeved and recut to something more suitable? My second is, are there stamps that indicate the original chambering and whether the rifle was proved for smokeless? Bill Lawrence


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SchwartzStock Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1011 Location: SchwarzWald Joined: Mar 23^rd, 2010	Re: Austrian / German Rifle Reply #14 - Oct 13^th, 2023 at 2:30pm	Print Post
	I searched hard and discovered the ad was removed, probably sold. This is the text: Dieses Inserat existiert leider nicht mehr. Hier sind verfügbare Inserate der gleichen Kategorie: If you search google images for "Nowotny Ischler stutzen" you can see the rifle.

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