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MerwinBray Oldtimer Offline Aw Gees Posts: 928 Location: Kansas City, KS Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	German rifle sight key help Aug 26^th, 2023 at 8:05pm	Print Post
	I have a German martini, and while it came with the sights, it did not come with a sight key. Is my best bet a very small socket with the screwdriver hand piece? I’m not sure where to finish nd something like this. Jon

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buchsenmacher Full Member Offline Posts: 199 Location: Adrian, MI Joined: Apr 18^th, 2004	Re: German rifle sight key help Reply #1 - Aug 26^th, 2023 at 8:08pm	Print Post
	When I made a set of German style sights years ago, I used a clock key that I got off of Ebay.

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wcf3840 Senior Forum Member Online ASSRA Life #299 Posts: 343 Location: Palatine Joined: May 28^th, 2007	Re: German rifle sight key help Reply #2 - Aug 26^th, 2023 at 9:06pm	Print Post
	I just got a clock key off Amazon. Quick and reasonably priced.


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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: German rifle sight key help Reply #3 - Aug 26^th, 2023 at 9:13pm	Print Post
	A clock key (or two, depending) is what you want. Measure the square stud(s), convert to mm if necessary, and you should be able to find a matching key from several internet sources. Older jewelry stores or clock repair shops also often have them or can get one for you. Bill Lawrence


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MerwinBray Oldtimer Offline Aw Gees Posts: 928 Location: Kansas City, KS Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: German rifle sight key help Reply #4 - Aug 26^th, 2023 at 9:34pm	Print Post
	That is a great idea!!! Thank you all.

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MerwinBray Oldtimer Offline Aw Gees Posts: 928 Location: Kansas City, KS Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: German rifle sight key help Reply #5 - Aug 26^th, 2023 at 9:41pm	Print Post
	I found a 22 size set for a reasonable price on Amazon. The key head looks a little wide to clear my eye cup but I have a band saw. Problem solved. Thank you all

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Kurt_701 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1006 Location: Missouri Joined: May 20^th, 2004	Re: German rifle sight key help Reply #6 - Aug 26^th, 2023 at 10:23pm	Print Post
	Local lock shop may have clock keys.

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MerwinBray Oldtimer Offline Aw Gees Posts: 928 Location: Kansas City, KS Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: German rifle sight key help Reply #7 - Aug 29^th, 2023 at 7:43pm	Print Post
	The brass clock key set got here yesterday and there are two that fit the two different sized heads. To the range tomorrow! ……with a little luck! Thank you all again for the suggestions

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Smoke Oldtimer Offline Posts: 650 Location: San Diego Joined: Feb 24^th, 2013	Re: German rifle sight key help Reply #8 - Aug 29^th, 2023 at 10:15pm	Print Post
	Amazon and other clock shops sell a set of two of these keys, and they cover every size I've ever run into (sometimes better than others, but I digress).


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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: German rifle sight key help Reply #9 - Aug 30^th, 2023 at 6:31am	Print Post
	Very often a clock key's "handle is big enough to allow mounting another "socket". If yours is so, unrivet the "socket" from your second key, rerivet it to the first, and voila you have only one key to keep track of. Bill Lawrence


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gnoahhh Oldtimer Offline Posts: 761 Location: Annapolis, MD Joined: Mar 31^st, 2010	Re: German rifle sight key help Reply #10 - Aug 30^th, 2023 at 9:12am	Print Post
	Being a glutton for punishment I made a T-handle sight key once, for the only German target rifle I ever owned. Bored a hole in a piece of round stock and whittled it square with jewelers files, then drilled a cross-hole for a pin handle. Should another such rifle fall into my lap I shan't do that again.


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yamoon Oldtimer Offline NRA Life, ASSRA , GGCA, MCA Posts: 815 Location: Junction City Kansas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2012	Re: German rifle sight key help Reply #11 - Aug 30^th, 2023 at 11:14am	Print Post
	Smoke wrote on Aug 29^th, 2023 at 10:15pm: Amazon and other clock shops sell a set of two of these keys, and they cover every size I've ever run into (sometimes better than others, but I digress). I also have a set of these. I have several German rifles with tang sights, so far these work fine. If you are not worried about looks, I have made several by boring a round hole, heating to cherry and driving in the square tail of a rat tail file until it is the correct size, then sawing a slot in the other end and silver soldering a large washer handle. Ugly but effective. Mike


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40-65tom Full Member Offline Posts: 129 Location: San Antonio Joined: Dec 20^th, 2005	Re: German rifle sight key help Reply #12 - Aug 31^st, 2023 at 8:31am	Print Post
	I made this one, lots of milling, sanding, swaging etc. No more effective than a simple clock key, but way nicer looking.


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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1301 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: German rifle sight key help Reply #13 - Aug 31^st, 2023 at 8:18pm	Print Post
	That's a very elegant key, 40-65tom; far nicer than almost all the originals I've seen. Well done! Bill Lawrence


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7142 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: German rifle sight key help Reply #14 - Sep 1^st, 2023 at 1:16pm	Print Post
	You don't have to have a 4 cornered socket for a wrench. I made this one, for mine, 30 some years ago from a smaller clock key.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11331 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: German rifle sight key help Reply #15 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 9:26am	Print Post
	Is your rifle a system Stahl? Can we see the rifle ? Please.

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JägerWilhelm Full Member Offline ASSRA #8407 Posts: 191 Location: Central Pennsylvania Joined: Sep 13^th, 2015	Re: German rifle sight key help Reply #16 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 12:37pm	Print Post
	Smoke wrote on Aug 29^th, 2023 at 10:15pm: Amazon and other clock shops sell a set of two of these keys, and they cover every size I've ever run into (sometimes better than others, but I digress). That set is part of my range gear, and is especially useful when I have a couple of Schützens with me. I leave all my original single keys at home.

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MerwinBray Oldtimer Offline Aw Gees Posts: 928 Location: Kansas City, KS Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: German rifle sight key help Reply #17 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:32pm	Print Post
	Westerner, I’ll try to add compressed pics.

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MerwinBray Oldtimer Offline Aw Gees Posts: 928 Location: Kansas City, KS Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: German rifle sight key help Reply #18 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:34pm	Print Post
	Closer picture Any information on the system or possible maker is appreciated. Had hoped to get information at Etna Green but the car Gods got me.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11331 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: German rifle sight key help Reply #19 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 2:16pm	Print Post
	System Stahl. Very nice! The most popular system till the Aydt was introduced. The barrel looks extra long. Thanks for showing it.

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yamoon Oldtimer Offline NRA Life, ASSRA , GGCA, MCA Posts: 815 Location: Junction City Kansas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2012	Re: German rifle sight key help Reply #20 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 5:54pm	Print Post
	A picture of the marks under the forend might provide some information. Mike


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11331 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: German rifle sight key help Reply #21 - Sep 3^rd, 2023 at 12:36pm	Print Post
	Hope your car gets better... How long is the barrel? The barrel in my Stahl is 30 7/8.

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oldman46 Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 424 Joined: Sep 21^st, 2016	Re: German rifle sight key help Reply #22 - Sep 18^th, 2023 at 12:43am	Print Post
	Might be your cup of tea, but many times at work we'd use key stock in place of the ratchet wrench welded into the square drive of a socket. Maybe measure the square part of the sights you wish to use a sight key and maybe there is a metric socket you could use. I had a couple metric drive sockets made up for my lathe and used key stock either brazed or welded on the key stock after it was bent 90 degrees. Just a suggestion. Frank


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oughtsix Global Moderator ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 1231 Location: Columbus Joined: May 31^st, 2009	Re: German rifle sight key help Reply #23 - Sep 18^th, 2023 at 10:56am	Print Post
	My German sight had three different sizes ( a repro for sure) and I found this at the Stuffmart (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) -06

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MerwinBray Oldtimer Offline Aw Gees Posts: 928 Location: Kansas City, KS Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: German rifle sight key help Reply #24 - Sep 18^th, 2023 at 7:45pm	Print Post
	Oughtsix, That’s the exact kit that I purchased.

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