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Liveoak Participating Member Offline Posts: 16 Location: Texas Hill Country Joined: May 4^th, 2019	A Remington Rolling Block no. 2 question Jun 12^th, 2023 at 7:51pm	Print Post
	I'm looking at two RRB #2 Sporting Rifles with late forearms but one has U.S.A. in the trademark but the other does not. Do any of you, more expert than I, know when this change occured? The one with U.S.A. in the trademark line has a higher serial number. Thanks for your input.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16094 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: A Remington Rolling Block no. 2 question Reply #1 - Jun 12^th, 2023 at 8:17pm	Print Post
	Of the four different stamped markings, only the 3rd done in 1870's-1886 didn't have USA in the marking. So I'd need the entire markings to say what era it could be. The one without USA in the stamp was marked E. REMINGTON & SONS Others were REMININGTON'S or REMINGTON ARMS CO. Where it's marked also designates a certain era, so need to know that also.

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Liveoak Participating Member Offline Posts: 16 Location: Texas Hill Country Joined: May 4^th, 2019	Re: A Remington Rolling Block no. 2 question Reply #2 - Jun 12^th, 2023 at 9:56pm	Print Post
	Thank you for your response; here's some additional info. The earlier rifle, sn 216xx, is marked "Remington Arms Co. Ilion N.Y." while the later one, sn 360xx, is marked "Remington Arms Co. Ilion, N.Y. U.S.A.". Both trademarks are on the top flat of the barrel. Both have the late fore arm with an ebony insert.


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ndnchf Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1048 Joined: Mar 6^th, 2014	Re: A Remington Rolling Block no. 2 question Reply #3 - Jun 13^th, 2023 at 6:35am	Print Post
	In my #2 rifle research, I've identified seven different barrel markings. Is the stamping ahead of the rear sight? Does it read toward the breech? Take a caliper and measure how tall the lettering is. Lastly, please post some clear photos of the stamp and rifle. You may find this video I made about #2 rifles of interest. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16094 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: A Remington Rolling Block no. 2 question Reply #4 - Jun 13^th, 2023 at 10:56am	Print Post
	From info I saw in John Gyde's book on Remington .22's it would appear both guns are post bankruptcy, with the one having no USA marking being probably around 1886-1888 and the other with USA being final production around 1889-1909. Steve may be able to pin it down closer for you.

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Liveoak Participating Member Offline Posts: 16 Location: Texas Hill Country Joined: May 4^th, 2019	Re: A Remington Rolling Block no. 2 question Reply #5 - Jun 13^th, 2023 at 10:50pm	Print Post
	Thanks, folks. I'll gather more info and take a couple of images; I'm new to this forum so please be patient. Good stuff!


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Liveoak Participating Member Offline Posts: 16 Location: Texas Hill Country Joined: May 4^th, 2019	Re: A Remington Rolling Block no. 2 question Reply #6 - Jun 14^th, 2023 at 4:52pm	Print Post
	Excellent video, Mr. Blancard. With respect to your questions,both rifles have the trademark stamping ahead of the front sight. The stamping on the "216 rifle' reads toward the front sight rather than toward the breech. The stamping on the "360 rifle" reads toward the breech. As best as I can see, the lettering on the "216 rifle" measures 0.065 inches tall while the other measures 0.075 inches tall. My images are evidently too big so I've got to do some more forum research before I can send them. I appreciate your patience and... Thank you for your help.


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ndnchf Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1048 Joined: Mar 6^th, 2014	Re: A Remington Rolling Block no. 2 question Reply #7 - Jun 14^th, 2023 at 5:13pm	Print Post
	Your photos can be shrunk in size using free online photo resizers or sometimes just by cropping them SN 216XX has what I classify as a type 5 barrel marking. This SN and marking is consistent with others I've recorded. I'd place this rifle in the very late 1880s to early 1890s. SN 360XX has what I classify as a type 8 barrel marking. This SN and marking is consistent with others I've recorded. I'd place this rifle in the 1900 to 1905 period. Steve


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Liveoak Participating Member Offline Posts: 16 Location: Texas Hill Country Joined: May 4^th, 2019	Re: A Remington Rolling Block no. 2 question Reply #8 - Jun 14^th, 2023 at 5:22pm	Print Post
	It looks like I will post one image at a time; for now. The top rifle is the "216 rifle" and the bottom, the "360 rifle". More images coming...


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Liveoak Participating Member Offline Posts: 16 Location: Texas Hill Country Joined: May 4^th, 2019	Re: A Remington Rolling Block no. 2 question Reply #9 - Jun 14^th, 2023 at 5:26pm	Print Post
	Another. More coming.


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Liveoak Participating Member Offline Posts: 16 Location: Texas Hill Country Joined: May 4^th, 2019	Re: A Remington Rolling Block no. 2 question Reply #10 - Jun 14^th, 2023 at 5:45pm	Print Post
	Thank you for your very prompt response. I'm going to post close-ups of the barrel markings just 'cause I'm stubborn and must practice to learn. I am using my computer's resize function but maybe I've not resized them enough. We'll see. Thanks again for the benefit of your research; I do very much appreciate it.


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Liveoak Participating Member Offline Posts: 16 Location: Texas Hill Country Joined: May 4^th, 2019	Re: A Remington Rolling Block no. 2 question Reply #11 - Jun 14^th, 2023 at 5:49pm	Print Post
	The last one.


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ndnchf Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1048 Joined: Mar 6^th, 2014	Re: A Remington Rolling Block no. 2 question Reply #12 - Jun 14^th, 2023 at 6:04pm	Print Post
	Nice rifles. What are the chamberings?


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Liveoak Participating Member Offline Posts: 16 Location: Texas Hill Country Joined: May 4^th, 2019	Re: A Remington Rolling Block no. 2 question Reply #13 - Jun 14^th, 2023 at 10:11pm	Print Post
	The earlier one was .32RF; now .32-20WCF. A poor exterior but reasonable bore; a hoot to shoot. The later, marked "22", has about a 75-80% exterior but the bore is toast; I'm probably going to line & chamber it to .22 long rifle.


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ndnchf Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1048 Joined: Mar 6^th, 2014	Re: A Remington Rolling Block no. 2 question Reply #14 - Jun 15^th, 2023 at 5:34am	Print Post
	Relining brings new life to them. I have a relined .22, its a tack driver now. Enjoy! Steve


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