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Re: Stevens 44 1/2 trigger change
Reply #15 - May 14th, 2023 at 3:58pm
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@bullshop - Working on the sear/hammer engagement needs a fixture for stoning the hammer notch.  Check your email.
  
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Reply #16 - May 14th, 2023 at 7:45pm
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gnoahhh wrote on May 13th, 2023 at 10:50pm:
On top of all the hair pulling involved with retro-fitting double sets, have you considered the need afterward for a new lever with a suitable trigger bow?

I have considered it. The lever on the rifle is the full finger loop type lever and it seems to have plenty of room . It appears the lever was intended for use with the double trigger because the trigger guard area seems long, plenty long enough to house two triggers.
  
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Reply #17 - May 14th, 2023 at 7:47pm
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bullshop wrote on May 14th, 2023 at 7:45pm:
gnoahhh wrote on May 13th, 2023 at 10:50pm:
On top of all the hair pulling involved with retro-fitting double sets, have you considered the need afterward for a new lever with a suitable trigger bow?

I have considered it. The lever on the rifle is the full finger loop type lever and it seems to have plenty of room . It appears the lever was intended for use with the double trigger because the trigger guard area seems long, plenty long enough to house two triggers.

Yes I saw that.  Quite a clever device.  Thank you
  
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Reply #18 - May 14th, 2023 at 7:54pm
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Sure shot wrote on May 14th, 2023 at 5:40am:
Take the forearm off and the receiver will likely be stamped with the model number. If your rifle is one of the 44 1/2’s sold on gunbroker lately that I’m thinking of, to me it looked like a standard 44 1/2 that someone installed a double set trigger loop lever for a pistol grip stock. If so you got it for a fair price.

Yes Sir that is the one. It was advertised as a model 44 by one of the big sellers on GB
  
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Reply #19 - May 14th, 2023 at 7:58pm
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After shooting the rifle for the first time today I now kind of doubt I will change anything. "" dont try to fix what aint broke ""
  
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Reply #20 - May 14th, 2023 at 8:44pm
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bullshop wrote on May 14th, 2023 at 7:54pm:
Sure shot wrote on May 14th, 2023 at 5:40am:
Take the forearm off and the receiver will likely be stamped with the model number. If your rifle is one of the 44 1/2’s sold on gunbroker lately that I’m thinking of, to me it looked like a standard 44 1/2 that someone installed a double set trigger loop lever for a pistol grip stock. If so you got it for a fair price.

Yes Sir that is the one. It was advertised as a model 44 by one of the big sellers on GB


There was also a model 47, double set on a 44 action recently. If you’re not sure of the difference, it’s worth making sure.
  
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Reply #21 - May 14th, 2023 at 10:21pm
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I have several model 44's but wanted a 44 1/2.  Have been watching for a long time but most often the 44 1/2 rifles go quite high.  I studied the pictures closely and was certain this was a 44 1/2 not a 44 as it was advertised.
I saw that double trigger model 44 but didnt want another model 44 especially not in 32-40
I have a model 44 in 25-20 wcf and feel even that is too much for the 44.  Others I have in the model 44 are 22 lr and 32 S&W long which I feel are well suited to the 44 action.
This rifle I just got actually exceeded my expectations for condition of bore and tightness of action.  This time I won !
  
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Re: Stevens 44 1/2 trigger change
Reply #22 - May 15th, 2023 at 8:01am
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For the record, I agree that .25-20 WCF factory loads are too much for the old 44.  I hate to see one rechambered thus.  I have evolved a rule of thumb, which is that a safe and sane cartridge should exert no more than 1000 pounds-force breech thrust on firing, (1400 pounds with the lugged hammer).  Typical high speed 25-20 WCF loadings are in the vicinity of 2000 lbf.   The gun won't blow up, but the linkage will loosen up very quickly.  

Handloads giving 1400 fps or so are OK.
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Re: Stevens 44 1/2 trigger change
Reply #23 - May 15th, 2023 at 8:17am
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Congratulations on your purchase bullshop.
I recently saw an 1894 favorite listed for sale online someplace that was re-chambered from .32 rimfire to .32 H&R magnum. It’s since disappeared.
  
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Reply #24 - May 15th, 2023 at 10:24am
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Sure shot wrote on May 15th, 2023 at 8:17am:
Congratulations on your purchase bullshop.
I recently saw an 1894 favorite listed for sale online someplace that was re-chambered from .32 rimfire to .32 H&R magnum. It’s since disappeared.

No way would I want to shoot 32 mags in a favorite.  32 S&W short yes , 32 long maybe but no way a 32 mag.  My model 44 in 32 S&W long is a rework from a 32 long RF.  It is pure fun to shoot and my kids love it.    We have a little family thing we do after Sabath bible reading . I have a set of five steel prairie dogs we set up and shoot for score.  We start them at 25 yards and space them at 5 yards.  They score 1 point for the nearest and an additional point for every range increase.  Shooting off hand adds 1 point per target. Targets must be knocked down to score.  Shooting off crossed sticks is allowed but eliminates the extra point.  Its fun and all can participate big or small. We use the three Stevens model 44 rifles in 22 rf, 25-20, and 32 long for this .  Its a fun family thing to do after Sabath breakfast and bible. What can be more American than that ? 
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Reply #25 - May 15th, 2023 at 11:12am
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uscra112 wrote on May 15th, 2023 at 8:01am:
For the record, I agree that .25-20 WCF factory loads are too much for the old 44.  I hate to see one rechambered thus.  I have evolved a rule of thumb, which is that a safe and sane cartridge should exert no more than 1000 pounds-force breech thrust on firing, (1400 pounds with the lugged hammer).  Typical high speed 25-20 WCF loadings are in the vicinity of 2000 lbf.   The gun won't blow up, but the linkage will loosen up very quickly.  

Handloads giving 1400 fps or so are OK.


When I had my model 44 (47) in .25 Stevens Rimfire redone to a  25 center fire I went with 25-20 SS for that reason. I know It would  have been  safe with my low pressure  loads  if it was A 25-20 WCF but after it passes out of my hands there are enough hotter factory loads(and uniformed handloaders)  that would not be good long term in a 44.
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Re: Stevens 44 1/2 trigger change
Reply #26 - May 15th, 2023 at 11:28am
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I have a 44 that somebody lined the original .22LR barrel with a .22LR liner, rechambered to .22 Hornet (!) and stamped the barrel ".22WCF". I load it with cast Lyman #225438's and 2.0 grains Bullseye, accuracy is dandy and life is good. I have no idea of what the pressure is nor pounds of bolt thrust but I suspect it's well within "safe" parameters. I have taken the precaution of writing a brief description of this on a slip of paper which lives in the barrel channel of the fore arm, in hopes that somebody who finds themselves with it after I'm not around will have a clue not to fire .22 Hornets in it.
  
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Re: Stevens 44 1/2 trigger change
Reply #27 - May 15th, 2023 at 1:57pm
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Cbashooter wrote on May 15th, 2023 at 11:12am:
uscra112 wrote on May 15th, 2023 at 8:01am:
For the record, I agree that .25-20 WCF factory loads are too much for the old 44.  I hate to see one rechambered thus.  I have evolved a rule of thumb, which is that a safe and sane cartridge should exert no more than 1000 pounds-force breech thrust on firing, (1400 pounds with the lugged hammer).  Typical high speed 25-20 WCF loadings are in the vicinity of 2000 lbf.   The gun won't blow up, but the linkage will loosen up very quickly.  

Handloads giving 1400 fps or so are OK.


When I had my model 44 (47) in .25 Stevens Rimfire redone to a  25 center fire I went with 25-20 SS for that reason. I know It would  have been  safe with my low pressure  loads  if it was A 25-20 WCF but after it passes out of my hands there are enough hotter factory loads(and uniformed handloaders)  that would not be good long term in a 44.


That brings up a question I have had for a long time which is in regard to the 25 Steven RF chamber . Is it already too large to become a 25 hornet ?  I just happen to have a set of 25 hornet dies.  That should keep it safe since there is no too hot factory ammo.
  
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Re: Stevens 44 1/2 trigger change
Reply #28 - May 15th, 2023 at 6:41pm
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a member here makes 25 Stevens Rimfire out of 22 hornet. So yes,it will work.
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Reply #29 - May 16th, 2023 at 10:37am
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Cbashooter wrote on May 15th, 2023 at 6:41pm:
a member here makes 25 Stevens Rimfire out of 22 hornet. So yes,it will work.


Great !  So let the hunt begin for a 25 Stevens RF with a good bore.   Now who to get to convert the breach block ?
  
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