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Hebes405 Participating Member Offline Posts: 28 Location: Ohio Joined: Apr 18^th, 2023	Newbie to 8.15x46R reloading Apr 25^th, 2023 at 10:16pm	Print Post
	I'm new to this cartridge. I'm going to make brass from 30-30 winchester brass. Can I fire form or do I need a sizing die to make the brass? Some research has said that once the brass is made no neck sizing is typically needed. Is that true only if I plan to breech seat bullets? I have little interest in casting bullets. Does anyone here sell bullets? My bore slugged out to 314, so a 316 bullet, which I hear is common, would be fine


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16071 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Newbie to 8.15x46R reloading Reply #1 - Apr 26^th, 2023 at 10:33am	Print Post
	Yes, you should be able to fire form .30-30 brass IF it will chamber before it's fire formed. Not sure if the shoulder is small enough to allow a .30-30 to chamber or not? I used .32 Win. Spl. brass, but just ran it into my 8.15x46R die set to knock the shoulder down. It didn't need trimming as the length fit fine.

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yamoon Oldtimer Offline NRA Life, ASSRA , GGCA, MCA Posts: 873 Location: Junction City Kansas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2012	Re: Newbie to 8.15x46R reloading Reply #2 - Apr 26^th, 2023 at 10:45am	Print Post
	I run 30-30 brass into an 8.15x46r dies, but chamber variations in these old rifles still won’t allow chambering in some. So a pass in 32-40 dies and fire forming fixes the problem for me. Mike


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chipmaker Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 338 Location: san diego Joined: Sep 24^th, 2007	Re: Newbie to 8.15x46R reloading Reply #3 - Apr 26^th, 2023 at 12:29pm	Print Post
	Attached is a photo of a 30-30 case, beside a loaded 8.15X46R cartridge and a .316" stop ring bullet. As yamoon said, the chambers of the 8.15X46R are highly variable, even after the cartridge was "normalized". A fire formed cartridge or chamber cast will generally give you a good idea of where to start, with regard to cartridge length. The 30-30 rim may fit your chamber but may need thinning if your action doesn't close completely. Commercial cast lead stop ring bullets are available and the one pictured was sold, I think by Buffalo Arms, as a .316" size. The bullet base measures .315" and is pushed into a fired case mouth, until it hits the .327" stop ring. The forward portion of the bullet measures .316". A member of this forum, I believe "Frank", wrote that he trims his cases to 49mm; loads a stop ring bullet and shortens the case, until the cartridge will chamber. I think that you will enjoy shooting the 8.15X46R. I'd recommend an Internet search of the cartridge, as there is quite a bit of useful information available on this and the CBA forum. Otto


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yamoon Oldtimer Offline NRA Life, ASSRA , GGCA, MCA Posts: 873 Location: Junction City Kansas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2012	Re: Newbie to 8.15x46R reloading Reply #4 - Apr 26^th, 2023 at 5:45pm	Print Post
	Some rifles require the rim diameter be reduced to .485 to chamber. I recently received 43 cases made from Speer 30-30 the rim was original, I reduced to .485 before they would chamber, a simple process if you have a small lathe. If you are just shooting for fun, stop ring is the way to go. Mike


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Hebes405 Participating Member Offline Posts: 28 Location: Ohio Joined: Apr 18^th, 2023	Re: Newbie to 8.15x46R reloading Reply #5 - Apr 26^th, 2023 at 10:22pm	Print Post
	Everywhere is sold out of 316 bullets. Would anyone want to sell me 50 or so to get me going?


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chipmaker Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 338 Location: san diego Joined: Sep 24^th, 2007	Re: Newbie to 8.15x46R reloading Reply #6 - Apr 27^th, 2023 at 11:52am	Print Post
	PM or email me your address and I can send you some. Otto


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Hebes405 Participating Member Offline Posts: 28 Location: Ohio Joined: Apr 18^th, 2023	Re: Newbie to 8.15x46R reloading Reply #7 - May 8^th, 2023 at 11:04am	Print Post
	So I'm finding that a . 323 expander ball is standard when ordering a 8.15x46R die set. How have others overcome this when loading for non breech seated 316 bullets?


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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3862 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Newbie to 8.15x46R reloading Reply #8 - May 8^th, 2023 at 12:26pm	Print Post
	Chipmaker, the .316 bullets that measured .315 reminded me that some years ago I ordered a .316 stop ring mould from them that cast .315. I called and they immediately sent me another mould that did cast .316. Great service and that bullet shot really well. I had some European brass that was a mm or so shorter than 46mm that was obviously intended for stop ring bullets as the stop ring gave a perfect snug fit in the chamber with that brass. Hebes, just stick that ball in a drill press (or drill) and take some emery cloth to it and make it the perfect size for what you want.


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JägerWilhelm Full Member Offline ASSRA #8407 Posts: 204 Location: Central Pennsylvania Joined: Sep 13^th, 2015	Re: Newbie to 8.15x46R reloading Reply #9 - May 9^th, 2023 at 12:20pm	Print Post
	Hebes405 wrote on Apr 26^th, 2023 at 10:22pm: Everywhere is sold out of 316 bullets. Would anyone want to sell me 50 or so to get me going? Did you call Buffalo Arms? I have found that on backordered items calling them gets results. I tried both their .316 and .320 stop ring bullets before I ordered the molds. Both bullets are all I use in 15+ 8.15x46R rifles. As for brass, I must have 150+ modified 30-30 casings which came with various rifles. Rim thickness was the greatest obstacle, and I needed more brass for matches. I bought factory RWS brass for every rifle (as you can't interchange them from rifle to rifle without resizing them) and this way I have 50-100 casings for each. Makes range/ match prepping easier.

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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2831 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: Newbie to 8.15x46R reloading Reply #10 - May 19^th, 2023 at 7:29pm	Print Post
	Whether you can just use a .30-30 or .32 Win Special case depends on the type of action and the extractor. My Original System Aydt will take either a .30-30 or .32 Win Special case with maybe only a smidge of trimming. My pre-1891 Martini, probably made in Prussia, wants only European-made 8.15x46R cases with the small rim. It doesn't like any of those Amerikaner cases. But it loves 311403, breech seated. FWIW, I've had good luck with Quality Cartridge brass.


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yamoon Oldtimer Offline NRA Life, ASSRA , GGCA, MCA Posts: 873 Location: Junction City Kansas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2012	Re: Newbie to 8.15x46R reloading Reply #11 - May 20^th, 2023 at 10:46am	Print Post
	This is a fire formed case from my 1907 proofed System Concurrenz. Made from 30-30. Mike


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Old_No7 Full Member Offline Posts: 104 Location: Southern Maine Joined: Oct 30^th, 2007	Re: Newbie to 8.15x46R reloading Reply #12 - May 21^st, 2023 at 8:58am	Print Post
	JägerWilhelm wrote on May 9^th, 2023 at 12:20pm: ...Both bullets are all I use in 15+ 8.15x46R rifles. ...and this way I have 50-100 casings for each... And now we know why components are hard to find! Old No7

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