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Question about Ned Roberts book on Schuetzen rifle
May 18th, 2023 at 8:30pm
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When I read the Ned Roberts book on Schuetzen rifles I noticed he mentioned several times that when loading fixed ammo  he seated bullets friction tight.
At the time I was reading I assumed he meant that he was seating bullets with his fingers in unsized fire formed cases.
  Now its been a while since I read the book but suddenly I question my first assumption.  I recently started thinking that maybe by the term "" friction tight"" he meant that he was tightly seating bullets in sized cases.
  Now I dont know what to think. He mentions several time seating bullets with one or two bands in the case and friction tight.  Anyone care to take a stab at what he meant by "" friction fit ?   In my 32-40 Stevens with fireformed cases unsized a .322" bullet seats with enough resistance that they are hard to seat with your fingers but when seating with the press and seating die almost no felt resistance. That is what is shooting good fo me when loading fixed ammo. This ammo has a couple drive bands in the case and a couple out with the Saeco 200gn tapered.
  
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Re: Question about Ned Roberts book on Schuetzen rifle
Reply #1 - May 18th, 2023 at 10:12pm
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That’s how I seat my fixed 38/55 & 32/40 very little press resistance, still secure in the case. Obtain neck tension with neck sizer dies followed with bullet appropriate  “M” die. Opening and flaring just a bit.

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Reply #2 - May 18th, 2023 at 10:41pm
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That is kind of what I am doing too in the 32-40 accept that with a .322" diameter bullet no case sizing is needed.  I am flaring the neck just a wee bit with a Lee universal neck expander then set the seating die to just take out the flare with no crimp.  With that I am getting about 2.5" groups at 100 yards with peep sight.
  I feel that it will improve some with full breach seating but this is a good off hand practice load.  I am trying to locate some reprints of the original 40 rod Schuetzen targets as I want to try my hand at the old schuetzen game.
  
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Re: Question about Ned Roberts book on Schuetzen rifle
Reply #3 - May 18th, 2023 at 11:39pm
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I don't know what he meant.  

I load some cartridges friction tight but I often get there through the back door. Okay, let me explain that. My bullets drop right in on the wad and then I run the cases into the sizer die till I get a light friction fit on the bullet. Works good with BP loads.
  

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Reply #4 - May 19th, 2023 at 9:06am
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Very interesting!  What all this means is that we don't really know what he meant by the term  "" friction fit "" or "" friction tight""
I think I will look at it as him meaning not tight but not loose.
Sound about right ?
  
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Re: Question about Ned Roberts book on Schuetzen rifle
Reply #5 - May 19th, 2023 at 1:44pm
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My criteria for black powder fixed loads is use a taper crimp die, Tight enough so can't pull the bullet out with fingers, loose enough that the bullet can still be rotated.
A little tighter seems to work better for smaller calibers and smokeless powder.
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Reply #6 - May 19th, 2023 at 3:14pm
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Its very interesting to hear of other folks ideas and methods.
  
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Re: Question about Ned Roberts book on Schuetzen rifle
Reply #7 - May 19th, 2023 at 6:41pm
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I figure loaded fixed that way and paying careful attention to brass, Peep tang and post & bead front,  my 2 CPA rifles 38/55 & 32/40 are 2  MOA rifles. Put the 12x Unertl on either one they are about 1 MOA Rifles. 

This falls in line with Townsend Whelen’s advice “in most hands peep sights resolve  to 1 MOA & scopes improve on 1 MOA by their power” When I breech seat the 32/40 barrel & scoped  it’s a bit better than 1 MOA.

Real difference fixed ammo requires carefull loading at home & let’s you concentrate on conditions in timed relay offhand or cross stick matches. Breech seating simpler with fewer variables but takes time and attention at the shooting bench. Ideal for ASSRA bench matches.

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