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My Andy Z High Wall auction win
Apr 21st, 2023 at 11:31pm
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I picked up the 1885 High Wall I won from the Amoskeag auction rifle this afternoon.  It seems that it was a definite work in progress.   
The pistol grip action is in great shape with no visible wear and a nice blue job.  The barrel is marked under the forearm: Douglas xx 12 twist .3191 groove 12.1.96.  On top of the barrel is Paul Shuttleworth's name so maybe this barrel was once his.  The caliber is marked .32 x 1.6  (the 2 is not lined up with the other numbers).
The bore is perfect.  There was some speculation that the 357 MAX case sized to 32 is the parent for this chamber, but that is not the case.   

Now for the not-so-good.  I hesitate to say bad because the issues are fixable and the price was good.   
The forend is taped on because it has not been finished completely.  The barrel is a bit fatter than a #3 weight Winchester.  There is a screw hole in the barrel but some wood needs to be removed so the forend can slide back far enough for a screw to fit.  I would prefer a dovetail.  Speaking of dovetails, there is not one for the flat spring, but that may be because the spring, hanger, and screw are missing as is the extractor.  The firing pin had been repaired with a thin piece of wire in a hole drilled in the face but the wire was stuck forward in the block hole preventing the block from dropping.  A couple of taps with a wood dowel fixed that.  Just needs a new wire but the hole in the breech block is very tiny and will need to be opened up.  I will make it so an MVA firing pin will fit.  It does have a single set trigger, but the rest of the parts are for a standard trigger.  I do have all the missing parts and a hammer with fly to complete a switch to a SST.

It is definitely not chambered for a case based on the 357 MAX.  The MAX rim is too small.  A 32-40 rim fits well.  I might shorten a 32-40 case to 1.6" and see if it fits.  Or just do a chamber cast.   

I may reach out to Gail to see what the chambering might possibly be.  Any thoughts?

Everything is in great shape so I may spare it from my Harlow inspired measure once (or skip that step)) and cut twice machining and possibly see if CPA can cut the barrel dovetails and maybe rechamber for 32-40 if there is not a good brass solution.  I prefer longer cases in High Walls as there is less change of spilling powder when loading at the bench.

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Re: My Andy Z High Wall auction win
Reply #1 - Apr 22nd, 2023 at 6:31am
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Given your groove-to-groove diameter Cartridges of the World specify the following that use a .320 diameter bullet:

.32 Winchester SL .388" rim 1.28" case  
.32-40 Ballard & Winchester .506" rim 2.13" case 
.32 Remington  .421" rim 2.04" case

So maybe a .32-40 shortened for breech seating? instead of using fixed cases?

The .32-40 case is tapered to 1.7" which then is straight diameter at the end for the bullet.
1.6" cuts it off at the end of the case taper.

Obviously it is a wildcat and a chamber cast is required.

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Reply #2 - Apr 22nd, 2023 at 9:13am
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A chamber cast is on tap first thing this morning (after a shower, breakfast and a nap).  A shortened 32-40 case would not chamber at 1.6” but would an about an inch so the case needs some sizing in the neck. Breech seating is my goal and I have a recent eBay Hoch nose pour tapered bullet with a base that measures.320 and weighs 204 gr in 20-1. That should give me a starting once I get the machine work done.   

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Reply #3 - Apr 22nd, 2023 at 11:46am
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May be a 30-30 case shortened. I have a friend with one sounds like may be same.
  
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Reply #4 - Apr 22nd, 2023 at 2:01pm
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It definitely looks like a shortened 30-30 case.  It might be a challenge getting a sizing die.  Maybe a cut down 30-30 die.  I haven't compared the cast to a 30-30 case yey.

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Reply #5 - Apr 22nd, 2023 at 3:26pm
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Hmmm id try using some .32 call sizer for something short to see if I could get a case that looked close to go in the chamber for fireforming and hope to not need sizing dies in the future. Or turn it into a 32-40
  
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Reply #6 - Apr 22nd, 2023 at 3:31pm
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Right, rent a reamer and turn it into a 32-40.
  
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Reply #7 - Apr 22nd, 2023 at 4:13pm
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Such a cute case though. I had already thought about 32-40. I have 4 of them already, 3 are high walls.  I do like the 32-40 though.
  

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Reply #8 - Apr 22nd, 2023 at 4:16pm
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Understood, it is a cute case!
  
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Reply #9 - Apr 22nd, 2023 at 5:30pm
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Here is the closest that I can get with the dies that I have.  Started with a 32-40 case, trim to 1.65, size in a die made with a 28 G&H reamer that Wes Turner and I had made for our 29 G&H ctg.  Then trim to 1.6 and run slightly into a 32-20 sizing die.  This will chamber and as you can see the shoulder is a bit too far back.  Now to decide on what to do with it.   

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Reply #10 - Apr 22nd, 2023 at 6:24pm
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BTW,

Here is Paul's name on top of the barrel centered between the scope blocks.

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Reply #11 - Apr 22nd, 2023 at 7:10pm
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I have a heavy barreled 32-40 Stevens 44 1/2 with Paul Shuttlesworth's name on the barrel in the same location and font
  
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Reply #12 - Apr 22nd, 2023 at 7:50pm
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32 Winchester Special Reamer would appear to clean it up.my first schuetzen was a #1 in 32 Special. it was pretty accurate and considering I was only 27 years old and no old farts helping me out.I used the 319289 with fixed ammo.
  
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Reply #13 - Apr 22nd, 2023 at 10:57pm
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It looks like a 32-40 reamer will work to clean it up OK as well.  Still deciding/\.

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Reply #14 - Apr 22nd, 2023 at 11:48pm
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Looks much like my 33-30-30 1.75”
My best friend made a 33-30-30 1.5”
We also did a few 30-30 1.5”
All worked great. This was reasonably common in the late 1980s to give higher density loads.
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