Old No7 [/quote]

That is true.  There are a LOT of hoops to jump through in order to own firearms, and it takes years and thousands of Euros to qualify.  It’s very difficult if you don’t have a friend to tag along with at the beginning.  Young people just don’t have the excess money to play the game. [/quote]
 
Not true. The longest it may take to own a firearm is one year in the case of a sport shooter. Hunters may immediately buy guns after completion of the hunting course and obtaining a hunting license. The hunting course is not cheap but currently there are courses that cost less than 3,000 Euro's, Not cheap but the course typically run 8 to 12 weeks and the price includes the ammunition and testing.

SchwarzStock wrote on Apr 27^th, 2023 at 1:55pm:

 
Quote:


Nope, that's not "my" quote, it was posted by another member...

My quote was this:
"I'm told by friends who live/work there, that the gun culture over there is declining as the older shooters die away.
Old No7"

That is true from what I'm told from friends and gun sellers doing business over there.

Old No7

craigster wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 12:56am:


It is.... 

SchwarzStock wrote on Apr 27^th, 2023 at 1:57pm:
   

So where did I go wrong?  What part, or parts are not true in my post?

westerner wrote on May 1^st, 2023 at 10:35pm:


I have been in Germany off and on since 1983 and got my German hunting license in 1984. 

It has never been true you had to have a locked, padded case. This was a wive's tale that grew out of a requirement for a locked case if you left a gun in a car. In that situation you had to have a hard case but over time it has gotten to be that if your gun is stolen, even if in a locked hard case, you are still responsible and considered negligent. I have to say though that a lot of misinformation about guns and hunting in Germany came from Americans, either embellishments or misunderstandings. I have had a couple of Americans over the years tell me crazy stories about how hard it was to explain why they never hunted here. The big problem I've seen is the guys that don't go out and make some German friends and learn a little of the language. They stay on post and complain how bored they are and how unfriendly the local are...

funny thing about the soft cases; many so called experts here insist the one-layer canvas case like you see used for shotguns will say they are unsafe and not allowed by law because it "could be" possible to discharge a loaded firearm using the trigger by pressing on the "wrong place".

Here is what Biggi says. 

 
There is a difference in Germany for weapon transport of hunters and for weapon transport of sport shooters. Hunters have a "hunting license" and sport shooters have a "gun ownership card". 
 
A hunter is allowed to transport his weapon in his car on the way to his hunting ground without a weapon case, but it must not be loaded. When a hunter takes his weapon to a gunsmith or takes the weapon to a shooting event at a shooting range, it must be unloaded in a locked case. This can be a gun case with locks or a latched soft case.
 
A sport shooter must always transport his sporting firearm in a locked container. So in a locked case or a latched soft case. The law is not to use a padlock. The law says, it must be more than three steps to get the gun out of the container (case or soft case). An unlocked case makes it possible to access the gun in one step: you only need to open the lid of the case and you have access.

That is why "locking" is mandatory. The simplest is a combination padlock on the soft case. You can also use a padlock with a key. If you don't have a padlock, you can even put a plastic cable tie through the slider tabs. It always needs more than three steps to get access to the gun.
Thats the reason why most of the Germans use padlocks, because it is the easiest way to comply with the law. 

westerner wrote on May 2^nd, 2023 at 9:00pm:


SchwartzStock, your rebuttal, old man. We await your rebuttal.