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ISS Oldtimer Offline Posts: 570 Joined: Feb 24^th, 2013	German Schuetzen Ammunition... Mar 14^th, 2023 at 10:36pm	Print Post
	Learned something else. The Germans mostly shot fixed ammunition, 8,15x46R from the factories according to some catalogs I got. I have five or six wooden boxes/cases full. They open from the side, like from the spine of a book. Trays slide out, and they hold various amounts of ammunition. Another "WOW"!. Rich They are for sale to a collector at a reasonable price.
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FourBird Participating Member Offline Posts: 46 Location: Olympia, WA Joined: Oct 13^th, 2011	Re: German Schuetzen Ammunition... Reply #1 - Mar 15^th, 2023 at 8:43am	Print Post
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Old_No7 Full Member Offline Posts: 104 Location: Southern Maine Joined: Oct 30^th, 2007	Re: German Schuetzen Ammunition... Reply #2 - Mar 15^th, 2023 at 10:04am	Print Post
	ISS wrote on Mar 14^th, 2023 at 10:36pm: Learned something else. The Germans mostly shot fixed ammunition, 8,15x46R from the factories... That is interesting, as I recall reading (per info from GGCA, German Gun Collectors Assn) that with the "stop ring" bullets which were used, reloading was typically done at the bench using pre-measured powder charges and simple hand dies, and that a shooter would shoot the whole match using just 1 case. Perhaps the difference is a hunter with a stalking rifle in 8.15x46R using factory loads, and a Schuetzen target shooter doing the reloading at the bench. I guess, like other things in this sport, this just goes to show that there are few absolutes and a wide variety of uses and opinions. Old No7

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GunBum Full Member Offline Posts: 186 Location: SW Missouri Joined: Oct 30^th, 2021	Re: German Schuetzen Ammunition... Reply #3 - Mar 15^th, 2023 at 3:25pm	Print Post
	I have several friends and family members in Germany who shoot competitively. On my last trip to Germany in December, I asked them about Schutzen Rifles and Matches. They all drew a blank. I had to show pictures of rifles and describe the matches as best I could. That didn’t help clear it up. It seems like a lost art over there. They thought the concept of breech seating was barbaric. Unfortunately on that trip it was too cold and snowy to get any shooting done, and my wife was with me so she wanted to visit Christmas Markets.


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Old_No7 Full Member Offline Posts: 104 Location: Southern Maine Joined: Oct 30^th, 2007	Re: German Schuetzen Ammunition... Reply #4 - Mar 16^th, 2023 at 1:50pm	Print Post
	GunBum wrote on Mar 15^th, 2023 at 3:25pm: ...and my wife was with me so she wanted to visit Christmas Markets. That sounds very similar to this... (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (Sorry for the large image size!!!) Anyway... I do know there's a German gunsmith who has teamed up with a retired Army doctor or dentist who have made it their mission to "Save The Guns" in Germany that are turned in by wives or families after the older shooter passes away; if these 2 don't buy those guns for resale to the U.S. -- they get scrapped. And we're talking about some VERY nice old Drillings, Stalking Rifles and Bockbuschflintes too. I'm told by friends who live/work there, that the gun culture over there is declining as the older shooters die away. Old No7

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rgchristensen Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1088 Joined: Jan 2^nd, 2014	Re: German Schuetzen Ammunition... Reply #5 - Mar 16^th, 2023 at 2:22pm	Print Post
	There is a good book out on the history and use of the 8.15x47R cartridge. I have a copy, but don't have it at hand, so can't tell you exactly what it is. In German, also, but has everything you want/need to know about the history and use of that cartridge, plus a few others. Casting bullets was little practiced - but you could buy bullets of a wide array of selections, and also powder charges made up in "cigarette papers", for loading. Since the shooting was entirely from offhand with iron sights, they were not concerned with the very finest accuracy, as we are, but the rifles are capable of very fine work when properly loaded and handled. There has been a lot of good information on this forum about shooting German rifles. CHRIS


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yamoon Oldtimer Offline NRA Life, ASSRA , GGCA, MCA Posts: 874 Location: Junction City Kansas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2012	Re: German Schuetzen Ammunition... Reply #6 - Mar 16^th, 2023 at 4:18pm	Print Post
	I personally shoot stop ring bullets because I am lazy. I shoot for fun, so pinpoint accuracy is not important. I believe I read current schuetzen shooters in Germany use fixed ammunition. Mike


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GunBum Full Member Offline Posts: 186 Location: SW Missouri Joined: Oct 30^th, 2021	Re: German Schuetzen Ammunition... Reply #7 - Mar 16^th, 2023 at 10:05pm	Print Post
	Old_No7 wrote on Mar 16^th, 2023 at 1:50pm: I'm told by friends who live/work there, that the gun culture over there is declining as the older shooters die away. Old No7 That is true. There are a LOT of hoops to jump through in order to own firearms, and it takes years and thousands of Euros to qualify. It’s very difficult if you don’t have a friend to tag along with at the beginning. Young people just don’t have the excess money to play the game.


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rgchristensen Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1088 Joined: Jan 2^nd, 2014	Re: German Schuetzen Ammunition... Reply #8 - Mar 16^th, 2023 at 10:31pm	Print Post
	Gun ownership in Germany: A German visitor who is a collector/shooter told me that he had to get a special permit from the police so that his wife could enter his gun-storage room and empty the water from the dehumidifier, while he was out of the country. It seems that everything that is not MANDATORY, is PROHIBITED. CHRIS


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CharleHunter Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 363 Joined: Feb 8^th, 2019	Re: German Schuetzen Ammunition... Reply #9 - Mar 19^th, 2023 at 5:54am	Print Post
	rgchristensen wrote on Mar 16^th, 2023 at 10:31pm: Gun ownership in Germany: A German visitor who is a collector/shooter told me that he had to get a special permit from the police so that his wife could enter his gun-storage room and empty the water from the dehumidifier, while he was out of the country. It seems that everything that is not MANDATORY, is PROHIBITED. CHRIS NO different than South Australia. My wife can't enter my gun room by herself as she is not licensed. Steve


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gewehrfreund Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 435 Location: Cortland Joined: Jan 24^th, 2005	Re: German Schuetzen Ammunition... Reply #10 - Mar 19^th, 2023 at 9:40am	Print Post
	Gun ownership in Germany: A German visitor who is a collector/shooter told me that he had to get a special permit from the police so that his wife could enter his gun-storage room and empty the water from the dehumidifier, while he was out of the country. It seems that everything that is not MANDATORY, is PROHIBITED. CHRIS CharleHunter wrote on Mar 19^th, 2023 at 5:54am: rgchristensen wrote on Mar 16^th, 2023 at 10:31pm: Gun ownership in Germany: A German visitor who is a collector/shooter told me that he had to get a special permit from the police so that his wife could enter his gun-storage room and empty the water from the dehumidifier, while he was out of the country. It seems that everything that is not MANDATORY, is PROHIBITED. CHRIS NO different than South Australia. My wife can't enter my gun room by herself as she is not licensed. Steve Not to disparage any country, its customs, etc., but please tell me I'm not the only one who thinks this is entirely ridiculous! It has nothing to do with safety or crime prevention and everything to do with government overreach and control with a capital C. And their citizens allow/encourage it.


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rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1923 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: German Schuetzen Ammunition... Reply #11 - Mar 19^th, 2023 at 2:28pm	Print Post
	Sounds quite familiar to me.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11451 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: German Schuetzen Ammunition... Reply #12 - Mar 20^th, 2023 at 6:34am	Print Post
	When a rifle is transported in Germany it has to be in a case and the case has to be padlocked. It can be a soft case. The case has two zippers and the slider tabs are locked together with a small padlock. The last few soft cases I've purchased have two slider tabs on them.

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Old_No7 Full Member Offline Posts: 104 Location: Southern Maine Joined: Oct 30^th, 2007	Re: German Schuetzen Ammunition... Reply #13 - Mar 20^th, 2023 at 10:24am	Print Post
	gewehrfreund wrote on Mar 19^th, 2023 at 9:40am: Not to disparage any country, its customs, etc., but please tell me I'm not the only one who thinks this is entirely ridiculous! It has nothing to do with safety or crime prevention and everything to do with government overreach and control with a capital C. And their citizens allow/encourage it. That's why we in the U.S. say that: *"Gun Control is NOT about guns -- It's all about CONTROL."* Old No7

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craigster Oldtimer Offline Posts: 683 Location: lost coast CA Joined: Feb 20^th, 2011	Re: German Schuetzen Ammunition... Reply #14 - Apr 11^th, 2023 at 12:56am	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 6:34am: When a rifle is transported in Germany it has to be in a case and the case has to be padlocked. It can be a soft case. The case has two zippers and the slider tabs are locked together with a small padlock. The last few soft cases I've purchased have two slider tabs on them. A padlock on a soft case is like a screen door on a submarine,


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