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ssdave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2156 Location: Eastern Oregon Joined: Apr 16^th, 2004	Need some engraving Lettering/number, suggestions Mar 4^th, 2023 at 3:46pm	Print Post
	I just finished polishing up a highwall action I'm restoring, and then had something I hadn't though through yet. It has a lower tang that was repaired at one time. I've finished it to original appearance, but it does not have a serial #. It has not had one since I've had it, I didn't remove it, but it had been done by whomever welded it up and ground it back smooth. I'd like for it to have a serial #. To insure that it doesn't get marked with the # of another rifle out there somewhere, what I plan to do is number it the same as another 1885 I own, but add "A" after the #. That other action will build an identical rifle to this one, as a set for my wife. The other one is an early antique serial #, and this action is identical. Who is out there that will engrave the numbers to match in style? I don't want to have to resort to my bubba stamps. I could salt etch a reasonable facsimile, but would prefer to send both tangs to someone, and have both recut to be identical workmanship.


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Poorhouse Junior Member Offline NRA Life, ASSRA Life Posts: 87 Location: New Hampster Joined: Aug 1^st, 2007	Re: Need some engraving Lettering/number, suggestions Reply #1 - Mar 4^th, 2023 at 5:45pm	Print Post
	I have gone through this process myself. If you are numbering an early action the number should be done by a competent engraver who can copy Winchester style script. Later stamped numbers need someone who can control the alignment of numbers. There are gunsmith-machinists out there who can do that. but they need stamps close to Winchester size and style to look good. Engraved script is actually easier to get done.


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bobw Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2168 Joined: Mar 19^th, 2013	Re: Need some engraving Lettering/number, suggestions Reply #2 - Mar 4^th, 2023 at 5:47pm	Print Post
	Dave, I think any good engraver could do this. It would be a good question for linecutter on this board, Diane Scalese (bigskybob I think is her husband) and there are probably more here that I’m not aware of. Bob


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12464 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Need some engraving Lettering/number, suggestions Reply #3 - Mar 4^th, 2023 at 7:59pm	Print Post
	Send it to Bev Gilger. 208 681 4340

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18211 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Need some engraving Lettering/number, suggestions Reply #4 - Mar 4^th, 2023 at 9:01pm	Print Post
	I used to use Guild engraver Bob Evans who is a friend and lives within 12 miles of my place. But Bob is 95 this Sunday, and quit engraving about 3 years ago, so now I'll need to find someone else. Bob had a pantograph that he had different fonts for and could do block style stamped numbers, or hand engrave Winchester early style numbers.

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Rebel Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4292 Location: Rockets and Race Cars Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Need some engraving Lettering/number, suggestions Reply #5 - Mar 4^th, 2023 at 10:11pm	Print Post
	are there any legal complications to just making up a SN# and engraving it on a firearm? seems like there should be without a proper license. Aaron

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18211 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Need some engraving Lettering/number, suggestions Reply #6 - Mar 5^th, 2023 at 11:37am	Print Post
	Rebel wrote on Mar 4^th, 2023 at 10:11pm: are there any legal complications to just making up a SN# and engraving it on a firearm? seems like there should be without a proper license. Aaron Shouldn't be with an antique. Might be with a modern gun.

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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3896 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: Need some engraving Lettering/number, suggestions Reply #7 - Mar 5^th, 2023 at 11:49am	Print Post
	Since a High Wall could possibly be made after 1898, there is no guarantee it is an antique. I doubt the ATF would even care about it though. I have a couple with no serial numbers. One like Dave’s had it worn off and another that had it rusted off but someone stamped 1000 on one side of the lower tang that is not even visible when installed. Jack

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Chuckster Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2319 Location: Colorado Joined: May 15^th, 2008	Re: Need some engraving Lettering/number, suggestions Reply #8 - Mar 5^th, 2023 at 11:58am	Print Post
	From what I understand, if a firearm does not have a serial number, you can put any number you wish on it. Once the serial number is there, you cannot change it. Chuck


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18211 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Need some engraving Lettering/number, suggestions Reply #9 - Mar 5^th, 2023 at 1:06pm	Print Post
	bpjack wrote on Mar 5^th, 2023 at 11:49am: Since a High Wall could possibly be made after 1898, there is no guarantee it is an antique. I doubt the ATF would even care about it though. I have a couple with no serial numbers. One like Dave’s had it worn off and another that had it rusted off but someone stamped 1000 on one side of the lower tang that is not even visible when installed. Jack I knew somebody would bring up the antique vs. modern vintage on 1885's Jack. I'd assume if it's a flat spring it wont matter much. But I also bet ATF could care less either way. Fortunately the 1885 I had was definitely antique, and the seller had repaired a crack in the pistol grip lower tang, and gave me the serial number, so no guessing what number it was. I've had old guns with repairs that obliterated the serial number. But they were other brands where the makers stamped the numbers in numerous places, so easy to find them. I've also got several old Ballard Schuetzen rifles that have custom maker's barrels on them and have a Stevens style setscrew, and it's right through the serial number. One a Pope, and one a Schoyen. People get all excited when they notice the serial numbers are defaced, and think it's some law being broken. Bet there was no such law back when the work was done.

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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3896 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: Need some engraving Lettering/number, suggestions Reply #10 - Mar 5^th, 2023 at 1:24pm	Print Post
	It is interesting that Winchester did not serialize the lower tang to the receiver. I have some rifles that I would bet that the flat spring receiver is older than the non-antique lower tang. My main target rifle fits that category with a 1919 serial number on the pistol grip lower tang. The trigger parts were for a single set, but the hammer and sear were not. I bet someone added the complete lower tang at some time well after the receiver was manufactured. As long as the rifle that Dave has does not sport one of them Unertl or Lyman sniper scopes, he is probably OK. Jack

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18211 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Need some engraving Lettering/number, suggestions Reply #11 - Mar 5^th, 2023 at 2:11pm	Print Post
	bpjack wrote on Mar 5^th, 2023 at 1:24pm: It is interesting that Winchester did not serialize the lower tang to the receiver. I have some rifles that I would bet that the flat spring receiver is older than the non-antique lower tang. My main target rifle fits that category with a 1919 serial number on the pistol grip lower tang. The trigger parts were for a single set, but the hammer and sear were not. I bet someone added the complete lower tang at some time well after the receiver was manufactured. As long as the rifle that Dave has does not sport one of them Unertl or Lyman sniper scopes, he is probably OK. Jack I knew guys long ago who would buy up Winchester parts for single shots and leverguns, and run the numbers on any tangs to see what the records showed. Then if it was a unique special order they'd assemble a gun with the tang to match what the records showed. I never understood why Winchester only marked a removable lower tang either?

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