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Filling old holes in barrel
Jan 25th, 2023 at 6:49am
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I have a Stevens barrel with many tapped holes where people have tried to mount scope mounts but looks like they drilled and tapped by hand, holes are everywhere.  What is the best way to fill them permanently so they do not show?
  
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Reply #1 - Jan 25th, 2023 at 7:36am
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Good question, I've wondered about that too.  While I have no experience doing it, I was thinking you could pre-heat the barrel, then TIG weld each hole (TIG for minimal heat). Then set the barrel is a surface grinder to grind the welds down to within .005" of the barrel surface, then draw file to flush and polish. This is assuming it is an octagon barrel. 
  
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Reply #2 - Jan 25th, 2023 at 8:43am
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Charlie,
I have removed a lot of holes in barrels over the years. The method I use most often is as follows. Set the barrel up in my milling machine and select an endmill the is slightly larger than the hole I am wanting to fill. Plunge the endmill to the bottom of the hole or very close to it. Use a gauge pin to determine a slight interference fit in the new hole. Then in the lathe turn a low carbon plug of the desired diameter. Cut the plug length about .100 longer than the hole is deep and carefully tap it into the hole. File the plug to where it now extends about .050 above the surface of the barrel. Now with a small smooth faced hammer, tap all the way around the perimeter of the plug going slowly until the plug is uniformly mushroomed over and actually raises the metal around the hole just slightly. Now using a sharp file carefully file the plug down to the surface of the barrel and polish the area to match the surrounding barrel. once reblued the plug will most times be invisible. I have had the disappear completely when the barrel is rust blued. When hot blued the difference in steel composition usually shows a shadow of difference.
  
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Re: Filling old holes in barrel
Reply #3 - Jan 25th, 2023 at 10:28am
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My method is to fill holes by not ever using premade screws. They never fit tight enough to not see the fit to the hole. I was taught to thread rod from mild steel rod, and stop the threads short so the threaded rod stops by the threads, not by bottoming in the hole. Then cut the rod off above the barrel and peen the end of the rod. After that I draw file the end and draw flat polish the whole barrel prior to rust bluing. Can't ever hot blue them as that will really show any difference in alloys between barrel and plug.
For extra dovetails I cut my own fillers and make them as tight as possible, and drive them into the dovetails. I leave a small amount protruding out each side of the dovetail, and use two hammers to peen the ends. One on the opposite end to hold the filler while I peen the other end, and switch to do both ends. Once they're filled and peened I draw file to match and polish the whole barrel.
I've got 3-4 barrels on guns in my collection I've restored the barrels on, and unless I point out the fillers for dovetails and holes, nobody notices them.
I would never ever do any kind of welding on a barrel, regardless of how it's done, unless the plan was to line the bore later. It will change the bore when you weld on the barrel, no matter how careful or good the welder is.
  

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Reply #4 - Jan 25th, 2023 at 12:43pm
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Singleshotsam's process is basically the same as my own.
  

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Reply #5 - Jan 25th, 2023 at 1:36pm
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The only time to weld on a barrel is when there will be a liner installed after the welding.All welds shrink and can leave a tight spot on the bore. The hammer forged pin idea is good and if you use the same type of metal the barrel is made of it will blue the same.
  

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Reply #6 - Jan 25th, 2023 at 4:14pm
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Thanks for the reply's.  I am installing a liner so I can pick my poison.
  
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Reply #7 - Feb 26th, 2023 at 11:59pm
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Here's pictures of the process.  I had to fill a scope hole in the receiver ring of a high wall today.

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Reply #8 - Feb 27th, 2023 at 10:24am
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I prefer to make a pin with a press fit / tap it in and to then do the same. If you use a screw just make sure that you have enough peened over to not expose a root of the screw. Either way a litte loctite also wouldn't hurt.
  

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Re: Filling old holes in barrel
Reply #9 - Feb 27th, 2023 at 10:26pm
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I have been able to make holes disappear. However, using a fine glass beading prior to bluing, if the plug and the barrel were not the same 'hardness', they would reappear.
  
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Reply #10 - Feb 27th, 2023 at 11:13pm
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I have done basically the same as SSDave has pointed out and I have not had that problem. 
The first one that I did and using a screw left a line of the root of the screw showing through.
My error and it is actually no fault of how he does it.
I just did not leave enough to completely collapse that root of the screw when I penned it so it would not then show up.
  

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Reply #11 - Feb 28th, 2023 at 10:38am
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The issue with any plugged hole is how it looks after the finish is applied. If it's a color cased receiver they'll be nearly impossible to find. If it's a rust blued barrel they will show, but will be very hard to see. I find that polishing over the plug with whatever grit paper you use will still give a different finish once the area is rust blued. And if anyone decides to hot blue the barrel the colors will really jump out and show well.
  

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Reply #12 - Feb 28th, 2023 at 1:56pm
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If making a press fit plug out of the same material as the barrel also is it would probably be the better choice and in my own opinion the correct approach to use.
  

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Re: Filling old holes in barrel
Reply #13 - Feb 28th, 2023 at 4:18pm
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JLouis wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 1:56pm:
If making a press fit plug out of the same material as the barrel also is it would probably be the better choice and in my own opinion the correct approach to use.


Yes, if it's a new barrel, and you had a stub leftover to make plugs. But if it's a new barrel, then likely wont need holes filled.
Not knowing what the exact alloy is, or how hard each barrel or receiver is, is the issue. And I don't know short of testing how to figure that out. So tough to make it from the same material when it's an unknown.
  

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Reply #14 - Feb 28th, 2023 at 4:32pm
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I do agree and if filling a hole on an original or an already finished barrel I would then just probably use a plug a screw as is typically used on none installed but drilled tapped tang sight screw holes. But of course those can also be typically of a different screw size and depending on what hole is actually wanting to be plugged ?
But the example that SSDave shared and on an unfinished action is actually what I was referring too. 
If trying to do the same on a finished barrel it would probably have to be re-blued.
  

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